What chemicals will dissolve biological matter fastest?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effectiveness and safety of various chemicals for rapidly dissolving biological matter, particularly in the context of extracting bones from small animals. Participants explore different chemical combinations and methods, while also considering the implications of using strong oxidizers.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest a mixture of sulfuric acid, hydrogen peroxide, and permanganate as a potential solution for quickly dissolving biological matter.
  • Others argue that permanganate will be reduced by hydrogen peroxide, making the mixture ineffective.
  • Concerns are raised about the safety of using strong oxidizers with organic matter, highlighting the potential dangers involved.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the feasibility of dissolving organic tissues in under half a minute without damaging the bones.
  • Alternative methods, such as using Dermestid beetles for cleaning skeletons, are proposed as safer and more cost-effective over time.
  • A participant questions the necessity of such rapid dissolution, suggesting that the context of the task should be clarified.
  • There is a call for caution regarding the use of dangerous chemicals in a competitive setting, with warnings about the risks of injury and legal issues.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the effectiveness and safety of the proposed chemical methods, with no consensus reached on the best approach. Concerns about safety and alternative methods are highlighted, indicating a significant disagreement on the appropriateness of the original proposal.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential degradation of skeletal material due to fast oxidation and emphasize the importance of safety precautions when handling hazardous chemicals. The discussion does not resolve the effectiveness of the chemical mixtures proposed.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to individuals exploring methods for biological tissue dissolution, those considering alternative cleaning methods for skeletons, and anyone concerned with the safety implications of using strong chemicals in experimental settings.

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In the matter of 30 seconds, preferably.

So far it seems Sulfuric Acid, Hydrogen Peroxide and Permanganate in a cocktail will suffice.

Are there any faster, cheaper methods?

Thanks :)
 
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Actually permanganate will get reduced by the hydrogen peroxide, rendering the mixture useless.

What do you need it for? Using strong oxidizers with organic matter can be dangerous.
 
Borek said:
Actually permanganate will get reduced by the hydrogen peroxide, rendering the mixture useless.

What do you need it for? Using strong oxidizers with organic matter can be dangerous.

Thanks for the information, I am curious if it will dissolve organic tissues in under half a minute. For example, to extract the bones out of a mouse by eliminating all tissue matter.
 
I doubt anything will be able to act that fast and to not eat through the bones as well.
 
Why so fast? Are you serially processing dozens of mice? We used Dermestid beetles to get really clean skeletons from small mammal carcasses - this is the defacto method for really clean. Plus, long term, they are way cheaper than chemicals.

Fast oxidation will severely degrade the skeleton, as Borek says. And you really did not answer the question: What are you doing with the skeletal material?

Dermestid beetles in the US (example):

http://www.carolina.com/dermestid/dermestid-beetle-assortment-living/144168.pr
 
Borek said:
I doubt anything will be able to act that fast and to not eat through the bones as well.

Say if I extracted the bones first, in your best opinion Borek, how long will it take to dissolve say 1kg of left overs in that cocktail mix?
 
jim mcnamara said:
Why so fast? Are you serially processing dozens of mice? We used Dermestid beetles to get really clean skeletons from small mammal carcasses - this is the defacto method for really clean. Plus, long term, they are way cheaper than chemicals.

Fast oxidation will severely degrade the skeleton, as Borek says. And you really did not answer the question: What are you doing with the skeletal material?

Dermestid beetles in the US (example):

http://www.carolina.com/dermestid/dermestid-beetle-assortment-living/144168.pr

Thanks for the input, Dermestid beetles look interesting for a longer time frame. I find it to be interesting to initiate a contest where each person has to either dissolve or somehow extract everything except bones to construct them with quick dry superglue.
 
Okay. If this is a "contest" you should be painfully aware that the chemicals you are using are dangerous to humans. It is a genuinely bad idea to create a situation where the goal is to "go fast" using dangerous materials. It is a great way to get in legal trouble.

I'm sure Borek, or any chemist, can provide you with stories about the nasty things that happen when inexperienced, unsupervised, and/or sloppy people start playing with chemicals. I give up.
 
Do all these people have training and protective gear plus access to decent fume hoods? Probably not, so the possibility of injury is very high. I would strongly advise against this "contest", even if you answered "yes" to all three. Trying to do things quickly using very strong chemicals is a great way to get hurt.
 

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