What Constitutes a Well-Rounded Education and Stupid LibArts Majors

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The discussion centers on the concept of a well-rounded education, particularly the subjects that should be included and the perceptions of different academic disciplines, specifically STEM versus liberal arts. Participants explore what constitutes a well-rounded education and express their views on the value of various subjects, while also addressing stereotypes associated with different majors.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that a well-rounded education should include subjects such as writing, foreign languages, economics, mathematics, history, and ethics, but they do not rank these subjects by importance.
  • Others argue that the perception that STEM majors lack creativity is a self-satisfying notion, suggesting that people have different strengths and interests across disciplines.
  • A participant mentions that students in STEM fields can excel in liberal arts classes, challenging the stereotype that they cannot engage in creative writing or critical thinking.
  • Some express frustration over the perceived redundancy of general education courses in university, arguing that these should have been covered in high school.
  • There is a suggestion that a foundational level of mathematics should be mandatory for all students before pursuing other subjects.
  • Concerns are raised about the quality of writing and analytical skills among some STEM students, indicating that not all students in these fields are proficient in communication.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on what constitutes a well-rounded education, with no consensus on the specific subjects or the necessity of general education courses in university. Disagreements exist regarding the value and difficulty of courses in different disciplines, as well as the stereotypes associated with STEM and liberal arts majors.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that their experiences with general education courses were disappointing, suggesting that these courses may not provide new knowledge for those who had a strong high school education. There is also mention of the varying levels of creativity and analytical skills among students in different fields, indicating a complex relationship between discipline and skill set.

  • #31
I've already read some god awful papers written by my peers in college. I wonder if they even bother reading over what they just vomited onto their papers.

That picture is funny though. Isn't there a real saying like that however? Obviously either "success" or "hard work" wasn't in the real saying. I'm thinking maybe "hard" wasn't suppose to be there? haha.
 
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  • #32
I think the original saying is "The dictionary is the only place where 'success' comes before 'work'" if I remember correctly.
 
  • #33
cristo said:
I'm sure I've said this before, but shouldn't these sorts of classes be taught in high school? If they are, then why do you need to repeat them in university? If not, then what do you learn in high school?


For most Americans? Almost nothing.

An education, IMO, should cover literacy, numeracy, and logic until it is beaten into people's heads so thoroughly they can't open their mouths without some of it falling out.

If you have those three things you can learn anything (and I mean ANYTHING) else on your own as quickly as your own intellect will allow. If you don't know those three, all you can ever do is memorize and repeat, never understand. The vast majority of people in the US lack even a single one of them (I'm not using the normal definition of literacy here, where it would usually mean the ability to read and write, I rather mean something more sophisticated than that: the ability to read, write, and understand well). Subject education (history, economics, science) needs to come only after those skills are imparted.
 

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