What current is needed for an equilateral triangle formation with three wires?

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The problem involves three long wires with a linear mass density of 52.0 g/m, where equal currents are flowing in specified directions. The setup requires determining the current necessary for the upper wire to "float" and form an equilateral triangle with the two lower wires, which are positioned 4.0 cm apart.

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  • Participants discuss the balance of forces acting on the upper wire, specifically how the magnetic forces from the lower wires must counteract the gravitational force. There are attempts to derive the necessary current using equations related to magnetic force and gravitational force.

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Some participants have provided calculations and expressed confusion regarding the correctness of their results. There is acknowledgment of a potential error in the angle used for the force calculations, with suggestions to reconsider the angle from 30 degrees to 60 degrees. The discussion reflects varying interpretations of the problem setup and the calculations involved.

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The figure is a cross section through three long wires with linear mass density 52.0g/m. They each carry equal currents in the directions shown. The lower two wires are 4.0 cm apart and are attached to a table. (please see attachment) Just in case attachment is not working (top wire is going out of page and above lower wires, which are going into the page.) What current will allow the upper wire to "float" so as to form an equilateral triangle with the lower wires?

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Homework Equations



F=uLI^2/(2pid)

F=mg

(please see attached for better format for equations)

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since current in lower wires are in opposite direction from top wires, therefore they repel each other. The y-components from each lower two wires must equal force of gravity of top wire:

mg = 2 x uLI^2/(2pid)sin30
solve for I, assume L=1 m and where d=0.04m, mg=0.5096N
I=319A...but why is this not the right answer?
 

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dongeto said:
The y-components from each lower two wires must equal force of gravity of top wire:

mg = 2 x uLI^2/(2pid)
Looks like you forgot to take the y-component of the magnetic forces.
 
oh sorry...I forgot to put sin 30 in the equation but i still got 319A

I= sqrt [(0.5096*pi*0.04)/((4pi*10^-7)*sin 30)]=319A
 
I get the same answer. Who says it's wrong?
 
i entered that answer in mastering physics and its incorrect
 
can someone please help...this is due tmr...thanks
 
The angle of each force with the horizontal is 60 degrees, not 30; so you should use sin(60). (D'oh! I made the same error.)
 
k...i get it...thank you very much Doc Al!
 

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