What do you mean by rigid body?Can anyone tell me why rigid body does not exist?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of a rigid body, questioning its existence and the implications of this idealization in physics. Participants explore the theoretical and practical aspects of rigid bodies, including their historical context and relevance in classical mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that a rigid body is an idealization that does not exist in reality due to the atomic structure of materials and the finite speed of force propagation.
  • Others explain that while rigid bodies are useful approximations, real materials exhibit deformation under stress, which complicates the rigid body assumption.
  • A participant mentions that the maximum speed of force transmission in solids is limited, typically by the speed of sound, which is much slower than the speed of light.
  • There is a discussion about the paradoxical nature of rigid bodies in classical mechanics, with examples illustrating contradictions in applying rigid body assumptions to real-world scenarios.
  • Some participants question the mechanisms that slow down the propagation of forces in solids compared to the speed of light, suggesting a need for deeper exploration of the underlying physics.
  • Several participants reference historical texts and suggest further reading to understand the evolution of the concept of rigid bodies.

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Participants express differing views on the existence and implications of rigid bodies, with no consensus reached. Some emphasize the idealization's utility in classical mechanics, while others highlight its limitations and the complexities of real materials.

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The discussion includes various assumptions about the nature of forces and interactions at the atomic level, as well as the limitations of classical mechanics in describing real-world phenomena. Participants also note the dependence on definitions and the context in which rigid body concepts are applied.

  • #31
Andrew Mason said:
Well, the reason no force propagation can proceed at infinite speed is because it cannot exceed the speed of light. [..]
AM
- that is not classical but relativistic physics: wrong forum
- it completely misses the point, as already explained: infinite force and energy in a piece of matter is unphysical in classical mechanics.
 
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harrylin said:
- that is not classical but relativistic physics: wrong forum
Relativity is part of classical physics.
- it completely misses the point, as already explained: infinite force and energy in a piece of matter is unphysical in classical mechanics.
I disagree. Infinite force is not what is required for a rigid body. Finite force acting instantaneously over a finite distance is what is required.

AM
 

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