What does the Center of Mass equation mean?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding the center of mass (COM) equation, exploring its logical interpretation and mathematical formulation. Participants examine the concept of the COM as a weighted average of positions of point masses, considering both theoretical and practical implications.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the logical understanding of the COM equation, suggesting it resembles an average but seeks clarity on the specific terms involved.
  • Another participant likens the COM to a weighted average, referencing external material on weighted arithmetic means.
  • A participant explains that the COM is indeed a weighted average of the positions of point masses, noting that increasing the mass of one point will shift the COM closer to that mass regardless of the position of the other mass.
  • One participant provides a detailed example using identical masses to illustrate how the average position can be calculated, emphasizing the grouping by mass rather than count.
  • The same participant connects the definition of the COM to the total momentum of a system, explaining how it can be modeled as a single particle with a specific velocity.
  • A side note is made about average velocity being a time-weighted average, with a critique of how textbooks define it, suggesting a potential oversight in interpretation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various interpretations and examples related to the COM equation, but no consensus is reached on a singular understanding or interpretation of the equation itself.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the nature of mass distribution and the conditions under which the COM is calculated are not explicitly stated, leaving room for further exploration of the topic.

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How can I understand logically this equations? it seems to me like an avarage of equation...but why each term is specifically in the way it is? Thank you
 
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It's a weighted average of the positions of the point masses 1 and 2. This means for instance that if the mass 1 is made large enough, the COM is close to the position of 1 no matter where 2 is.
 
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Here's a way to see this weighted average.
For simplicity, work in 1 dimension.
Suppose I had five identical blocks, each with mass 1 kg,
that I place at various positions on a number line. Where is the [straight-]average position of those five blocks?
[itex]r_{avg}=\displaystyle\frac{r_1+r_2+r_3+r_4+r_5}{1+1+1+1+1}[/itex]
Suppose there were two clumps... so that [itex]r_1=r_4[/itex] (so there are 2 at [itex]r_1[/itex]) and [itex]r_2=r_3=r_5[/itex] (so there are 3 at [itex]r_2[/itex]).
Then
[itex] \begin{eqnarray*}<br /> r_{avg}<br /> &=&\frac{(r_1+r_4)+ (r_2+r_3+r_5)}{(1+1)+(1+1+1)}\\<br /> &=&\frac{(2)r_1+ (3)r_2}{(2)+(3)}\\<br /> \end{eqnarray*}[/itex]
Instead of grouping by count, we could group by mass. (In this case of identical blocks, it doesn't matter numerically... but this suggests that you can take any quantitative property and conceptually break it down into units of that property). Think of multiplying the above by [itex]1=\frac{{\rm\ kg}}{{\rm\ kg}}[/itex].
[itex] \begin{eqnarray*}<br /> r_{avg}<br /> &=&\frac{(2{\rm\ kg})r_1+ (3{\rm\ kg})r_2}{(2{\rm\ kg})+(3{\rm\ kg})}\\<br /> \end{eqnarray*}[/itex]

The physical reason why the center-of-mass is defined this way is because
the total momentum of a system of particles [itex]\vec P=m_1\vec v_1+m_2\vec v_2[/itex]
can be modeled as a particle of mass [itex]M=m_1+m_2[/itex]
with velocity [itex]\vec V=\frac{\vec P}{M}=\frac{m_1\vec v_1+m_2\vec v_2}{m_1+m_2}=\frac{d}{dt}\left( \frac{m_1\vec r_1+m_2\vec r_2}{m_1+m_2} \right)=\frac{d}{dt}\vec R[/itex]
equal to the velocity of the center-of-mass.

(Off topic, but related.
By the way, the "average-velocity" is a time-weighted average of velocity:
[itex]\vec v_{avg}=\frac{\vec v_1 \Delta t_1 +\vec v_2 \Delta t_2}{\Delta t_1+\Delta t_2}=\frac{\Delta \vec x_1+\Delta \vec x_2}{\Delta t_1+\Delta t_2}=\frac{\Delta \vec x_{total}}{\Delta t_{total}}[/itex].
It annoys me that the textbook definition skips this interpretation by defining [itex]\vec v_{avg}\equiv \frac{\Delta \vec x_{total}}{\Delta t_{total}}[/itex].
Then it proceeds to define the [instantaneous] velocity as a limiting case of the average-velocity.
Maybe they skip the interpretation because it's strange to define a quantity in terms of its average.)
 
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