What Does the Homomorphism from Z[x] to Z[i] Reveal About Its Ideals?

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The discussion revolves around the homomorphism from Z[x] to Z[i], specifically examining what insights this mapping provides regarding the ideals of the Gaussian integers Z[i]. Participants explore the implications of this homomorphism and the nature of certain ideals in Z[x], particularly focusing on the ideal generated by x^2 + 1 and x + 1.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the bijective correspondence between ideals of Z[x] containing x^2 + 1 and ideals of Z[i], but expresses uncertainty about proving that the ideals of Z[i] are principal based solely on this homomorphism.
  • Another participant points out that the ideal generated by x^2 + 1 and x + 1 consists of elements of the form r(x^2 + 1) + s(x + 1), suggesting it cannot contain the element x.
  • A later reply acknowledges that while the conclusion about the ideal not containing x is true, it is not immediately obvious.
  • One participant suggests simplifying the problem and mentions that questions about ideals may be easier to approach through quotient rings.
  • Another participant describes their attempts to manipulate the generators of the ideal, expressing difficulty in determining if the ideal is proper and whether they can derive 1 from the generators.
  • Further exploration leads to a simplification of the ideal to , with a participant arguing that this ideal cannot be principal due to the irreducibility of x - 1.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of this simplification for the corresponding ideal in Z[i].

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the ideal generated by x^2 + 1 and x + 1, with some suggesting it may not be proper while others explore its properties without reaching a consensus. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of the homomorphism on the ideals of Z[i].

Contextual Notes

Participants note challenges in determining the properties of the ideal, including the difficulty of deriving certain elements and the irreducibility of x - 1, which complicates the classification of the ideal as principal or not.

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I'm working on an exam that Michael Artin once gave, where one of the questions is basically,

Consider the homomorphism from Z[x] to Z given by x --> i. What does this homomorphism tell you about the ideals of Z?

So far I haven't come up with anything. I know in advance that the ideals of the Gaussian integers are principal, but I don't see how I can prove that just by looking at the given homomorphism. I know that there is a bijective correspondence between ideals of Z[x] containing x^2 + 1 and ideals of Z, but I'm stuck. For example, if I look at the ideal generated by x^2 + 1 and x+1, how do I know whether this is a proper ideal or not? If it is proper, then I know that the ideal generated by i + 1 is a proper ideal of Z. But I don't know how to tell whether or not the ideal generated by x^2 + 1 and x+1 is proper. Do you guys think I'm going about this problem the right way? I've spent like half an hour thinking about it and am not making good progess.
 
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murmillo said:
But I don't know how to tell whether or not the ideal generated by x^2 + 1 and x+1 is proper.
Well, it consists of all elements of the form r(x^2+1)+s(x+1) with r,s ring elements. So it cannot contain, e.g., the element x.
 
Landau said:
Well, it consists of all elements of the form r(x^2+1)+s(x+1) with r,s ring elements. So it cannot contain, e.g., the element x.
While true, that conclusion is certainly not immediate.
 
murmillo said:
But I don't know how to tell whether or not the ideal generated by x^2 + 1 and x+1 is proper.
Have you tried simplifying?

e.g. the ideal <x-3, 2x+5> is equal to the ideal <x-3, 11>.

I often find questions about ideals are easier to solve by looking at the quotient rings.
 
Yes, I've tried simplifying, but it might be difficult to do in general. I see that if I multiply x by x+1 and subtract x^2 + 1 I get x-1, then I can add it to x+1 to get 2x, then I can multiply 2 by x+1 and subtract 2x to get 2, but I don't know if it's possible to get 1 in the ideal. I also tried with x+n instead of x+1 but haven't had success. Something tells me I might be going about this problem the wrong way.
 
murmillo said:
Yes, I've tried simplifying, but it might be difficult to do in general. I see that if I multiply x by x+1 and subtract x^2 + 1 I get x-1, then I can add it to x+1 to get 2x, then I can multiply 2 by x+1 and subtract 2x to get 2
So <x^2 + 1, x+1> = <x^2 + 1, x+1, x-1, 2>. You said you haven't had much luck finding interesting new elements to add to the list of generators. Can you remove any, to get a simpler generating set?
 
Well I can get <x^2 + 1, x+1, x-1, 2> = <x^2 + 1, x-1, 2> = <x-1, 2>. This ideal can't be principal because x-1 is irreducible. Here it seems that I can't get x in this ideal, because everything generated by 2 is divisible by 2, and I'd have to multiply x-1 by something divisible by 2 if I'm to get a linear combination that cancels out terms with x's, but that would leave me with something divisible by 2. But I'm not sure what that tells me about the corresponding ideal in Z.
 

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