What happens after exceeding the speed of light?

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The discussion revolves around the implications of exceeding the speed of light, particularly in relation to the relativistic mass formula and hypothetical particles like tachyons. Participants explore theoretical scenarios, mathematical interpretations, and the boundaries of physics as they relate to science fiction concepts.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions what happens to the relativistic mass formula when substituting values for speed greater than light, suggesting it could imply negative mass.
  • Another participant asserts that nothing can travel faster than light and that the equations become invalid with impossible values.
  • A participant explains that a particle with real mass would have imaginary energy if it traveled faster than light, potentially leading to causality violations.
  • Hypothetical particles known as tachyons are mentioned, with properties that are fundamentally incompatible with the Standard Model and leading to paradoxes.
  • Several humorous remarks are made about imaginary speeding fines related to exceeding the speed of light.
  • One participant expresses frustration with the question, suggesting it is based on a misunderstanding of physics and mathematics.
  • Another participant raises a question about light potentially taking shortcuts, which is met with skepticism regarding its validity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the implications of exceeding the speed of light, with some asserting that it leads to nonsensical outcomes while others explore the theoretical possibilities. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views presented.

Contextual Notes

Some claims rely on assumptions about the nature of mass and energy, and the discussion touches on concepts that are not universally accepted in mainstream physics.

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I'm curious about one thing. What happens after exceeding the speed of light? What are you opinions about this? What does it mean as the formula [tex]m=\frac{m_0}{\sqrt{1-\frac{v^2}{c^2}}}[/tex] goes after subsitute to equation example mass to m_0 and speed higher than speed of light to v negative mass? This question may be pseudo-science which does not mean that I do not know physics. It's not typical physics section but science fiction section.
 
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You litterally run out of time.
And if you look at your expression again: m goes through infinity and does not become negative but imaginary
And so on and so forth. Science fiction
 
Nothing can travel faster than light. That equation, and many like it, stop working the moment you start plugging in impossible values.
 
hubot said:
What does it mean as the formula [tex]m=\frac{m_0}{\sqrt{1-\frac{v^2}{c^2}}}[/tex] goes after subsitute to equation example mass to m_0 and speed higher than speed of light to v negative mass?
That is the formula for relativistic mass. The concept of relativistic mass is one that has been largely discarded. Instead one uses the concept of total energy (the sum of rest energy plus kinetic energy).

##E = \frac{m_0}{\sqrt{1-\frac{v^2}{c^2}}}## for v not exactly equal to c.

and

##E^2 = m^2c^4 + p^2c^2## for all v

A particle with a real-valued mass would have an imaginary energy if it were moving at greater than the speed of light. In addition, it would be traveling backward in time according to at least some inertial reference frames. If one could transmit signals using such particles, it would lead, in principle, to causality violations.
 
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You risk an astronomical speeding fine !
 
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my2cts said:
You risk an astronomical speeding fine !
The fine is imaginary.
 
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DrGreg said:
The fine is imaginary.

as is the speed :wink:
 
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my2cts said:
You risk an astronomical speeding fine !
DrGreg said:
The fine is imaginary.
davenn said:
as is the speed :wink:
I'm beginning to wish this thread were imaginary :smile:

@hubot, the trouble with your question is that you are asking for a physical answer resulting from extrapolating a math equation in a way that does not represent reality. As Ryan pointed out, your really can't do this in any meaningful way. It's like asking "if the laws of physics don't apply, what do the laws of physics say about <insert nonsense of your choice>".
 
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If you break those laws you will have to do time.
 
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sophiecentaur said:
If you break those laws you will have to do time.
Lol ...
 
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If energy cannot be destroyed and energy being light can travel at the speed of light what happens if light can be accelerated across a distance farther than it can travel there at its speed? ...and no math because math can't explain every dam thing in the universe.
SO your traveling at the speed of light your a mass of energy and then you break free of what ever is holding you at that speed and skip farther than you can travel at the speed of light.
 
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What if light takes a short cut is it not traveling faster than it would if it hadnt?
 
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Legendin said:
If energy cannot be destroyed and energy being light can travel at the speed of light what happens if light can be accelerated across a distance farther than it can travel there at its speed? ...and no math because math can't explain every dam thing in the universe.
SO your traveling at the speed of light your a mass of energy and then you break free of what ever is holding you at that speed and skip farther than you can travel at the speed of light.

no need to double post

light doesn't accelerate across any distance ... the speed of light is constant in free space so your Q doesn't make senseyou cannot travel at the speed of light because you have mass ... again your Q doesn't make senseDave
 
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Legendin said:
What if light takes a short cut is it not traveling faster than it would if it hadnt?
please think about what you want to say before typing it, again, this is nonsenseDave
 
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Total nonsense thread is closed. To the newbie posters -- please do some reading of the scientific posts here at the PF, including our FAQs and the Intights articles. We discuss mainstream science here, not crazy questions from newbies who have not done any reading.
 

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