What Happens to Light when Heated - Baking Samosas

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The discussion revolves around the nature of light and photons in the context of heat, sparked by a participant's experience baking samosas. Participants explore the relationship between photons, heat, and temperature, questioning how photons behave under extreme conditions and their role in thermal energy.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions what happens to photons when they are heated, suggesting a curiosity about their behavior under extreme heat.
  • Another participant asserts that photons cannot be heated as they do not have mass, implying that only atoms can possess temperature.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that photons are a form of heat, although this claim is acknowledged as potentially simplistic.
  • One participant explains that thermal energy is associated with the motion of particles, which photons, lacking mass, cannot possess.
  • A participant introduces the concept of Planck's constant and black body radiation, suggesting a connection between light and heat proportional to frequency.
  • Another participant argues that photons of certain frequencies are indeed a form of heat, referencing previous posts for clarification.
  • It is noted that photons are packets of energy, with their energy proportional to their frequency, and that heat energy is carried by photons across various frequencies.
  • One participant emphasizes that discussing whether photons can be heated is akin to asking if electrons can be charged, as both concepts involve intrinsic properties of the particles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether photons can be considered as having temperature or being heated. Some argue that photons are a form of heat, while others maintain that photons cannot be heated due to their lack of mass. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference concepts such as Planck's constant and black body radiation, but the discussion does not resolve the implications of these concepts on the nature of photons and heat. There are also varying interpretations of what constitutes heat and how it relates to photons.

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So, I was baking this Indian delicacy I got at the local Indian grocery store commonly known as 'samosas'. I switched the light inside the oven to observe the progress and then suddenly this thought occurred to me. What happens to light when it gets heated up?

What does photons do under extremem heat?
What happens to the photons when they leave the Sun and travel further and further away?

As for the samosas they came out great! :-p
 
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Unless I am mistaken, photons don't really "heat up". Only atoms have temperatures so you can't heat up photons.
 
Photons are heat(edit: I may get hit for being too simplistic there...), so the question is redundant. Anyway, the photons from the light in the oven are much, much hotter (higher energy) than the temperature of the oven itself.
 
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Guess I am mistaken!
 
Thermal energy (heat) is kinetic energy from disorderly motions and vibrations of little particles. It has to be mass that is doing the shaking. Photons, the light particles, have no mass, so we can't call them hot or not.
 
How about Planks constant and black body radiation? Don't they mean heat from light that is proportional to the frequency?


This light thing looks stranger and stranger the more and more I learn about it. I was thinking about the ramifications of photons being effected by heat if that was true. Life would not be possible in that case. Seems like it was deliberately designed for us...strange... :rolleyes:
 
Ant, do you realize that photons (of a certain frequency) ARE a form of heat? I'm not certain whether you'd picked that up from russ's post.
 
Photons are basically packets of energy. The energy is of course, proportional to the frequency of the photon. Heat is a form of energy. Heat energy that is radiated - either from the sun, or some other ideal black-body, or even a non-ideal radiator like the one in your oven - is carried by photons (of all frequencies - some frequencies more than others). So, it is meaningless to talk of photons getting heated up. That's like asking if electrons can get charged by static. (electrons carry charge; photons carry heat).

'Light' is just a specific name assigned to photons of a particular frequency/wavelength range - the range that is "visible" to the human eye.
 

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