What Happens When an Infinite Square Well Expands Symmetrically?

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The discussion revolves around a quantum mechanics problem involving an infinite square well that expands symmetrically from a length L to 2L. Participants are tasked with determining the probability of finding a particle in the ground state of the new box, given that the wave function remains undisturbed during the expansion.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Some participants explore the implications of the wave function remaining undisturbed and question whether the probability of finding the particle in the original interval remains unchanged. Others suggest that the new wave function must be considered to calculate the overlap with the old wave function.

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Participants are actively discussing the correct approach to integrating the wave functions to find the probability. There is recognition of the need to consider the domains of the wave functions, and some participants express confusion about the results obtained from their calculations. Guidance has been offered regarding the integration limits and the significance of the wave functions' definitions.

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There is an ongoing discussion about the assumptions regarding the wave functions and their behavior in different intervals. Participants are also reflecting on the importance of visualizing the problem to aid understanding.

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Homework Statement


Infinite square well of length L, from -L/2 to +L/2.
Suddenly the box expands (symmetrically) to twice it's size, leaving the wave function undisturbed. Show that the probability of finding the particle in the ground state of the new box is [tex](8/3 \pi )^2[/tex].


Homework Equations


the ground state of the wave function is
[tex]\psi = (2/L)^{(1/2)} cos(\pi x /L)[/tex]


The Attempt at a Solution


If the wave function remains undisturbed, shouldn't the probability of finding it in the interval (-L/2, L/2) remain the same, equal to 1, and everywhere else zero? So the probability of finding it in the interval -L,L would simply be 1/2. The question is just really confusing me.
 
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No, when the box expands, there is a new wave function for the gruond state. So you have to calculate how much your "old" wave function overlaps with the new one.

And that you do by calc the following integral:
[tex]\int_{-L}^{L} \psi _{new}^{*}\psi _{old} dx[/tex]


Remember: the wave funtcion is the probability amplitude for finding particle at position x
 
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WarnK said:

Homework Statement


Infinite square well of length L, from -L/2 to +L/2.
Suddenly the box expands (symmetrically) to twice it's size, leaving the wave function undisturbed. Show that the probability of finding the particle in the ground state of the new box is [tex](8/3 \pi )^2[/tex].


Homework Equations


the ground state of the wave function is
[tex]\psi = (2/L)^{(1/2)} cos(\pi x /L)[/tex]


The Attempt at a Solution


If the wave function remains undisturbed, shouldn't the probability of finding it in the interval (-L/2, L/2) remain the same, equal to 1, and everywhere else zero? So the probability of finding it in the interval -L,L would simply be 1/2. The question is just really confusing me.


well, the probability of finding the particle between -L and L is 1, of course! But it is zero between -L and -L/2, one between -L/2 and L/2, and zero between L/2 and L.

However the question is not about the probability of finding the particle in some position! The question is about finding the particle in a certain quantum state! In which case you have to do the integral that malawi glenn gave.
 
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Doing the intergral
[tex]\int_{-L}^{L} \psi _{new}^{*}\psi _{old} dx[/tex]
with
[tex]\psi_{old} = (2/L)^{(1/2)} cos(\pi x /L)[/tex]
[tex]\psi_{new} = (1/L)^{(1/2)} cos(\pi x /2L)[/tex]
gives the wrong answer, so I started to draw bit (always nice to draw a bit) and figured what I want is that area enclosed by with [tex]\psi_{old}[/tex] and [tex]\psi_{new}[/tex] in the interval (-L/2,L/2). So I did the same intergral, but over the inverval (-L/2, L/2), and then it works out to [tex](8/3 \pi )^2[/tex], which I suppose is correct, though I'm still not sure I really understand what happened here.

Thanks for the help!
 
WarnK said:
Doing the intergral
[tex]\int_{-L}^{L} \psi _{new}^{*}\psi _{old} dx[/tex]
with
[tex]\psi_{old} = (2/L)^{(1/2)} cos(\pi x /L)[/tex]
[tex]\psi_{new} = (1/L)^{(1/2)} cos(\pi x /2L)[/tex]
gives the wrong answer, so I started to draw bit (always nice to draw a bit) and figured what I want is that area enclosed by with [tex]\psi_{old}[/tex] and [tex]\psi_{new}[/tex] in the interval (-L/2,L/2). So I did the same intergral, but over the inverval (-L/2, L/2), and then it works out to [tex](8/3 \pi )^2[/tex], which I suppose is correct, though I'm still not sure I really understand what happened here.

Thanks for the help!

You must have done wrong, First

[tex]\int_{-L}^{L} \psi _{new}^{*}\psi _{old} dx[/tex]

Is correct, but you must see that the old wave function is zero for x > L/2 and x < -L/2

So of course you get the right answer if you do the integration only between -L/2 and L/2, it is equivalent since the first wave function is zero elsewere ;)

i.e

[tex]\psi_{old} = (2/L)^{(1/2)} cos(\pi x /L)[/tex] when -L/2< x < L/2, and zero elsewhere.

And also:

[tex]\psi_{new} = (1/L)^{(1/2)} cos(\pi x /2L)[/tex] when -L< x < L, and zero elsewhere. Thats why the integral I stated was between -L and L, same consideration must be done with the old one. And you solved this by drawing pictures, which is, as you said, always good.

It is very important to state which domain gives which values for the wave function. I thought that you was aware of this, hence there was some misunderstanding.
 
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