What happens when two dynamic systems collide?

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The discussion explores the interactions between two dynamic systems, particularly in meteorological contexts, focusing on how different pressure systems collide and the implications of such interactions. It also touches on the behavior of sound waves when they meet, seeking to understand the mechanisms and outcomes of these phenomena.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that when two storm systems collide, they seek equilibrium in pressure and temperature, but questions the mechanisms guiding this interaction, particularly regarding momentum and pressure changes.
  • Another participant indicates that the interaction between high and low pressure systems is complex and involves factors like pressure gradients and jet streams, suggesting that they do not simply merge.
  • A different viewpoint presents a visual model comparing high pressure areas to domes and low pressure areas to whirlpools, arguing that they cannot cancel each other out or merge.
  • Regarding sound waves, one participant explains that if two waves of equal power meet perfectly out of phase, they will cancel each other out, while if they are in phase, they will combine to form a more powerful wave.
  • There is acknowledgment of the complexity of the equations governing these phenomena, with some participants expressing uncertainty about the technical details.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of interactions between dynamic systems, with some suggesting that they can merge or cancel out, while others argue that they do not simply do so. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific mechanisms and outcomes of these interactions.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the behavior of dynamic systems and the definitions of terms like "cancel out" and "merge." The complexity of the underlying equations and the influence of various atmospheric factors are also noted but not fully explored.

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When two systems (maybe systems is the wrong word) collide?

This question is presented in a meteorological sense, but I imagine it applies to almost any interaction between two dynamic systems. Any and all examples or leads into this phenomenon (outside of purely mathematics) would be interesting and appreciated...

**My question**

Correct me if I'm wrong, but at least over the continental US two different storm systems (or cells), one having a low pressure and warm air and the other having high pressure and cold air, merge in pursuit of an equilibrium. But what mechanisms guide this interaction and the interactions between any two similar objects moving at each other like pressure cells? I imagine they "cancel out" in some sense, but what rules guide the various aspects of this cancellation like change in velocity, momentum, pressure etc.?

I am not as much concerned about temperature of the air as I am about the interaction between the two different pressures (although they might be related)...

Here's what I think happens:

Obviously, the two systems will seek equilibrium in both pressure and temperature. I would imagine that this occurs in different forms and produces different outcomes (tornadoes, cold fronts, etc), but what I am primarily concerned with is how much the momentum (or maybe its power?) each cell loses as a result of the collision.

Another version of the same phenomena in question,

What happens if you shoot two sound waves of the same magnitude at each other? Will they cancel out or just merge into a 3rd combined form?

Thanks a lot!:eek:
 
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I'm afraid that your question is not to be answered in a single post. Furthermore i't's a tad or 20 more complicated. Highs and Lows seldomly merge like that, it's also got to do with the pressure gradient aloft, jet streams, orography, etc, etc.

Why not try it here? www.ukweatherworld.co.uk
 
Yeah it's pretty broad/vague. I'll see if I can't refine it. Thanks for the link!
 
Question 1--simple answer:
Imagine the weather map as a literal topographic map, with the high pressure areas as domes, and the low pressure ones as low whirlpools. This visual model will show why low pressure will always be diverted around or stopped by high pressure; they can't cancel each other out or merge.

Question 1--the better answer:
What Andre said; the actual equations are quite complex, and I'll be the first to admit that they're way over my head; I'm no wxman, just a hobbyist.

Question 2:
From what little I know about sound waves, it's that they behave just like waves in any other medium. If two waves of equal power are perfectly out of phase and meet head-on--the crest of one coincides with the trough of another--they will cancel each other out. If they are perfectly in-phase--the crests and troughs coincide--they will combine to create a more powerful wave. Usually though, they are out of phase just so, so that the pattern of their intensities appear random; IIRC, this can be described algebraically.
 

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