What happens when two electrons in a shell collide?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of electrons within the same shell when they potentially collide. Participants explore concepts related to electron movement, repulsion, and the implications of such interactions within atomic structures. The scope includes theoretical considerations and conceptual clarifications regarding atomic behavior and electron dynamics.

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  • One participant suggests that electrons in the same shell may collide due to their random wobbling motion, raising questions about the implications of such a collision.
  • Another participant doubts that collisions would occur, arguing that the repulsive negative charge density of electrons would prevent them from colliding.
  • A follow-up question is posed regarding what happens during deflection, considering the vast number of atoms in the universe and the likelihood of electron interactions.
  • One participant asserts that if electrons were to collide, it would be a perfectly elastic collision, implying that they would not change their orbitals or fly away unless additional energy is introduced.
  • A later reply acknowledges the concept of elastic collisions and reflects on the spatial separation of orbitals in relation to electron size.

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Participants express differing views on the likelihood of electron collisions and the nature of their interactions. While some believe collisions are improbable due to repulsion, others question the implications of such interactions, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

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Participants reference the concept of elastic collisions and the energy requirements for changes in electron orbitals, but do not delve into the specific mathematical or physical principles governing these interactions.

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This discussion may be of interest to those exploring atomic theory, electron behavior, and the fundamental principles of chemistry and physics.

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My knowledge of chemistry is almost nil - but anyways, I was wondering - what happens when two electrons in the same shell collide? From what I understand is that electrons do not travel in a perfect orbit and randomly wobble a bit. If this is true, then isn't it possible that one electron [in the same shell] wobbles a lot, while one electron wobbles very little.

Then, if this is true, the electron that wobbles a lot travels a lesser distance along the path of the orbit as opposed to the electron that doesn't...so at one point they're bound to cross paths and eventually collide. I understand from a book on physics I once read that electrons simply repel...which is what causes the atoms in a floor and the atoms in our feet from going through each other, for example. Yet still, wouldn't the repelling force knock one of the electrons out of its orbit? And if this happened within a valence shell, would that electron simply fly away?
 
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I would doubt that they would ever collide, surely the negative charge density of the electrons would repulse and deflect each other preventing collisions.
 
Well, that's my question. What happens when they deflect. There must be more than a billion billion billion atoms in the universe, and so eventually at least one pair of electrons should crash, no?
 
Sure thing. But they'd just repel each other on a perfectly elastic collision. No, they wouldn't fly away or change their orbitals, because that would require energy and no extra energy has been added to the system during their collision. Oh an by the way the number of atoms on the observable universe is something around 1084
 
Got it. It makes sense that the collision would be elastic now, because you're right it would require energy. Now that I think about it, the orbitals are pretty far apart in terms to the size of an electron anyways.

Thanks
 

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