What happens with a 'Light in a box theory'

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The discussion revolves around a hypothetical concept referred to as the 'Light in a box theory,' which explores the behavior of light within a closed system of mirrors or lenses designed to capture and focus light. Participants consider the implications, potential applications, and limitations of such a system, touching on theoretical aspects of optics and energy efficiency.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes the idea of a box or sphere of mirrors that could focus light into an infinite loop with minimal diffraction.
  • Another participant questions the feasibility of creating a box that allows light to enter but prevents it from escaping.
  • A participant suggests using a converging lens followed by a perfect convex mirror to create a continuous loop of light, raising questions about the behavior of light in this scenario.
  • Concerns are raised about energy loss due to heat when light refracts or is focused, suggesting that a truly infinite loop may not be achievable.
  • One participant draws an analogy to Carnot's heat engine, discussing the pursuit of 100% efficiency in the context of light capture.
  • Another participant notes that there is no perfect reflector, indicating that some energy will always be lost as heat, which complicates the idea of an efficient light loop.
  • There is speculation about the potential for creating a flameless heat source or driving a steam turbine from the proposed system.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the feasibility and implications of the 'Light in a box theory.' There is no consensus on the possibility of achieving an infinite loop of light or the efficiency of such a system, with multiple competing perspectives on energy loss and practical applications.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the assumption of perfect reflectors and lenses, as well as the unresolved question of how energy loss affects the proposed system's functionality.

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I have no background in physics, but I have a question about light.

Might consider it the 'Light in a box theory'.

What would happen if you could make a box or sphere of mirrors that would constantly accept incoming light and focus the light into an infinite loop with little or no difraction?


If this could be done, what would it achieve, or how could it be useful?
 
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How would you make a box that would let light in but not let light out?
 
I just wrote a very detailed response, and when I posted the reply, the forum page had timed out. *!#%* I hate when that happens! What sense does that make!

Why does every forum time out after about 10 or so minutes of writing, and then lose everything you just wrote to tell you to login, again?!?

Seems pretty stupid that I have to copy my text everytime I write something and then re-login in order to post it... (Wait... let me copy before I hit the post button and lose this too).
 
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I would focus the incoming light using a converging lens. The light would be directed onto a perfect convex mirror that would help to further focus the light.
I hope using this method in series, an infinite loop of sorts could be created.

If this were possible, how would the light behave?
Would the particle become more and more charged as more light enters the loop?
Or would the waves cause an interference pattern ruining my loop?
 
smokeee77 said:
Why does every forum time out after about 10 or so minutes of writing, and then lose everything you just wrote to tell you to login, again?!?

When you log in, click the "Remember Me?" box next to the "User Name" field. Then you'll almost never get logged out automatically, unless it works differently for ordinary members and special members like mentors.

Just remember to log out if you're using a computer that's used by other people, unless you have your own account on that computer, in which case you need to log out from that account in general in order to keep other people from mucking with your stuff.
 
I have thought about this as well- I believe one factor is the fact that as light refracts or is focused you will lose energy to heat through the mirror or lens, so a truly infinite loop is impossible. A long lasting refracted beam may be possible though...
 
As far as i can tell this is the optical analog of the carnot heat engine sort of thing, ie looking for 100% efficiency, which of course does not exist.
 
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As far as i can tell this is the optical analog of the carnot heat engine sort of thing, ie looking for 100% efficiency, which of course does not exist.

Carnot's heat engine had to do with the transfer of hot & cold in order to produce mechanical work... not sure how that relates to this idea to capture light.
 
Smokee77, it's a good question. What I think you'll find is that there's no "perfect reflector" similar to no "prefect conductor" of electricity. There's always some resistance, which ends up converting to heat.

(Of course, someone will point out superconductors, those nearly perfect conductors which operate at very cold temperatures.)
 
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Good point about the perfect reflector.
Maybe this experiment experiment would only result in producing heat.
Could it be used to create a flameless heat source, or possibly even drive a steam turbine?
I guess my idea is now sounding a lot more like a light engine.
 

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