What happens with the sea level due to the centrifugal acceleration?

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The discussion revolves around the effects of centrifugal acceleration on sea level, particularly in the context of a rotating frame of reference. Participants explore the relationship between effective gravity, centrifugal force, and the shape of the Earth, touching on concepts of hydrostatic equilibrium and potential energy surfaces.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how sea level varies in a rotating frame of reference, expressing uncertainty about the underlying physics despite familiarity with formulas.
  • Another participant proposes that effective gravity at the equator is less due to centrifugal force acting opposite to it, and questions how this affects sea level.
  • A participant suggests that a freely flowing material sphere in free-fall reflects the balance between internal gravity and centrifugal force, indicating that sea level is high at the poles and low at the equator.
  • Another participant counters this by stating that gravitational force is greater at the poles, as they are closer to the Earth's center and experience no centrifugal force.
  • One participant introduces the idea of sea level as a constant potential energy surface influenced by both gravitational and centrifugal forces.
  • There is a discussion about whether potential energy is constant everywhere on the sea surface or if it indicates hydrostatic equilibrium, with differing views on how to define potential energy in this context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between effective gravity, centrifugal force, and sea level, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various definitions and approaches to understanding potential energy and hydrostatic equilibrium, highlighting the complexity of the concepts involved without reaching a consensus.

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What happens with the sea level due to the centrifugal acceleration?
 
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This sounds like a homework question. What do you think happens?
 
Thanks for the help. I was just doubtful how it will vary in the rotating frame of reference. I know about the change in effective gravity. I could put them in formulae from books and derive the expression. But I wasn't just sure about the physics behind it.
 
Is the effective gravity at equator less because the centrifugal force acts in a direction opposite to it? How does that effect sea level? That is what I want to know.
 
come2ershad said:
I think I got it. A sphere of freely flowing material in free-fall, such as a planet in formation, forms a shape reflecting the balance between internal gravity and centrifugal force from its rotation.
Since the gravitational force is much greater than centrifugal force even at the equator, this is not the case.

So since the effective gravity is low at poles, the sea level is high and vice versa at equator. Am I right?
That is exactly backwards. Gravitation is greatest at the poles because (a) the poles are closer to the center of the Earth than is a point on the surface of the Earth at the equator and (b) there is no centrifugal force at the poles.
 
Thank you DH. That was good explanation.
 
One way to look at sea level is that it is a constant potential energy surface, where the potential is that due to gravitation plus that due to centrifugal force.
 
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D H said:
One way to look at sea level is that it is a constant potential energy surface, where the potential is that due to gravitation plus that due to centrifugal force.

Does that mean the potential energy is constant everywhere on the surface of the sea? or does that mean the Earth's surface is in hydrostatic equilibrium?
 
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come2ershad said:
Does that mean the potential energy is constant everywhere on the surface of the sea? or does that mean the Earth's surface is in hydrostatic equilibrium?

Whether potential energy is constant everywhere depends on how you choose between two options for defining potential energy for this case.

You can opt to define as follows (this is the usual choice): there is a constant potential energy if there is no tendency to drift away in a particular direction. Here on Earth there is no tendency to drift northward or drift southward. It follows that the effective potential is the same everywhere on Earth.

The other option is to compute the Newtonian gravity from first principles (which means you need to compute the Newtonian gravity exerted by the reference ellipsoid). That gravitational potential is highest at the equator, and lowest at the poles.

At MIT, in the Atmosphere, Ocean and Climate Dynamics, students can http://www-paoc.mit.edu/labweb/lab4/gfd_iv.htm" . The kind of equilibrium state that is used in the process of manufacturing a parabolic dish is the same as the equilibrium state of the bulging Earth.

Another example is the parabolic shape of a mercury mirror for astronomic observations. Example: the http://www.astro.ubc.ca/LMT/lzt/index.html"
 
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