Tangential Component of Centrifugal Acceleration

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the tangential component of centrifugal acceleration as described in a specific reference (Taylor, p.347). Participants explore the geometric relationships between centrifugal force, gravitational force, and the angles involved, particularly in relation to latitude and the Earth's rotation.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the expression for the tangential component of centrifugal acceleration, suggesting a misunderstanding of the angles involved.
  • Another participant clarifies that the angle in question is between the perpendicular to the Earth's axis and a tangent to the surface, identifying θ as the complement of the angle of latitude.
  • The magnitude of centrifugal acceleration is noted, with the tangential component being dependent on both the sine and cosine of the angle θ.
  • A participant provides a sketch to illustrate their understanding and invites feedback on their interpretation of the angles involved.
  • Further clarification is offered regarding the geometric relationships in the provided sketch, emphasizing the equality of certain angles due to perpendicularity.
  • A later reply expresses gratitude for the clarifications, indicating a resolution of confusion on their part.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit some disagreement regarding the interpretation of angles and components, but there is a progression towards understanding as clarifications are made. The discussion does not reach a definitive consensus on the initial confusion but moves towards clarity for at least one participant.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific angles and components without resolving all assumptions or potential misunderstandings related to the geometry of centrifugal acceleration.

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The thing is in page p.347 Taylor, it is said that the component is:

g_tan = Omega^2*Rsin(theta)cos(theta) However the angle between the centrifugal Force and the axis normal to the direction of the grav Force is actually 90 - theta, I am not really getting where I am going wrong understanding this.
 
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The angle in question is between the perpendicular to the Earth's axis (the direction of the centrifugal force component) and a tangent to the surface. That angle is θ which you can see by geometry. θ is the complement of the angle of latitude, L (θ = 90-L).

The magnitude of the centrifugal acceleration (see equation 9.43) is: acf = Ω2Rsinθ. So the tangential component is acfcosθ. At the equator, where θ is 90° (L=0), the centrifugal force is maximum (sinθ = 1) but the tangential component is 0 because it is all in the radial direction (cosθ = 0). Towards the pole, the direction is almost tangential (cosθ=1) but the magnitude of the centrifugal force approaches 0 (sinθ = 0).

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kuruman said:
I thought I explained that to you here.
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/what-is-the-tangential-component-taylor-p-347.965665/
If there is something you still did not understand, you should have responded there instead of starting a new thread. In any case, post a drawing of what you think is the case. I suspect you have misidentified something.
Sorry about that, I could not track the post I had done already. Here is the sketch of how I am working it out on my mind.
spbCzfS
https://imgur.com/spbCzfS
Since he says: 'the tangential component of g (the component normal to the true grav force)'
 
SebastianRM said:
Sorry about that, I could not track the post I had done already. Here is the sketch of how I am working it out on my mind.
spbCzfS
https://imgur.com/spbCzfS
Since he says: 'the tangential component of g (the component normal to the true grav force)'
In the drawing you have provided, you have shown two angles of 90-θ making up a right angle! The angle between the Fcf vector and the tangent is 90 - (90-θ) = θ! (the angle of the tangent to the radial vector being necessarily a right angle).

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To supplement post #5 by @Andrew Mason, it is known from geometry that two angles that have their sides mutually perpendicular are equal. In your diagram, the z-axis (along Ω) is perpendicular to Fcf and the radial vector is perpendicular to the tangential component (not shown). Therefore the angle that you show as θ is equal to the angle formed by Fcf and the tangential direction.
 
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Thank you so much guys! I see it now!
 
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