What Is Absolute Zero & Maximum Temperature?

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of absolute zero and maximum temperature, exploring their definitions, implications in thermodynamics, and the relationship between temperature, kinetic energy, and relativistic effects. Participants engage with theoretical aspects and misconceptions related to these concepts.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that molecular motion stops at absolute zero, while others clarify that this is a misconception due to quantum mechanics.
  • There is a discussion about whether the highest temperature corresponds to molecular velocities approaching the speed of light, with some arguing that temperature can theoretically be infinite due to the lack of a limit on kinetic energy in relativity.
  • One participant suggests that the concept of absolute zero might be 'relative' and questions whether a true absolute zero, where all molecular motion ceases, is possible.
  • Another participant introduces the Planck temperature as the highest possible temperature, quantified as 10^32 degrees Kelvin.
  • Concerns are raised about the finite amount of energy in the universe, suggesting that this could imply a limit on temperature.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of absolute zero and the existence of a maximum temperature. There is no consensus on whether a true absolute zero can be achieved or if there is a definitive upper limit to temperature.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various definitions and theories, including quantum mechanics and relativity, but do not resolve the implications of these theories on the concepts discussed. The conversation reflects a range of interpretations and assumptions about energy, temperature, and molecular behavior.

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moleculars' motion are stopped at absolute zero.
according to the relative theory, does it mean the highest tempearture in our world is the one when all the molecular's velocity is equal to light's?
 
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ark said:
moleculars' motion are stopped at absolute zero.
according to the relative theory, does it mean the highest tempearture in our world is the one when all the molecular's velocity is equal to light's?

First, at absolute zero molecule's motion doesn't stop. This is a common misconception, and the reasoning is quantum-mechanical and you can read it at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_zero

As far as the second point, no there is no highest temperature. You're right, a molecule's velocity cannot exceed the speed of light, but temperature is a measure of the average kinetic energy of the molecules. According to relativity there isn't a limit on kinetic energy, so temperature can in that sense be infinite.

I seem to recall someone mentioning that due to GR, if your energy density gets too high (corresponding to too high a temperature in a sense), things collapse into a black hole so this could provide a temperature upper bound, but I'm not sure about that.

Cheers!
 
thanks for your answer.
temperature is too difficult for me to grasp.
:(
 
may i say kinetic energy of a substance at absolute zero is at the lowest level that it can't transfer to any other substance.

kinetic energy is defined as E=1/2*m*v^2.
E=0 only if v=0.
molecule's motion doesn't stop at absolute zero. that means v>0, and E>0.
so, may i say absolute zero is a 'relative' lowest energy level accorrding to the zeroth law of thermodynamics.
and is it possible has the TRUE absolute zero that all molecule's motions was stopped?
 
ark said:
may i say kinetic energy of a substance at absolute zero is at the lowest level that it can't transfer to any other substance.

kinetic energy is defined as E=1/2*m*v^2.
E=0 only if v=0.
molecule's motion doesn't stop at absolute zero. that means v>0, and E>0.
so, may i say absolute zero is a 'relative' lowest energy level accorrding to the zeroth law of thermodynamics.
and is it possible has the TRUE absolute zero that all molecule's motions was stopped?

I think you should read the article again. Also, if you're going to be wondering about the upper limit on temperature you should use the relativistic definition of KE:
E_{k}=mc^{2}(\gamma-1)
So you can see that there is no upper bound on kinetic energy.
 
Nabeshin said:
I think you should read the article again. Also, if you're going to be wondering about the upper limit on temperature you should use the relativistic definition of KE:
E_{k}=mc^{2}(\gamma-1)
So you can see that there is no upper bound on kinetic energy.

Except for the fact that there is a finite amount of energy in the universe... right?
 
ark said:
temperature is too difficult for me to grasp.
:(
Ignoring quantum and relativistic effects, your original post was pretty much correct.
 
The highest possible temperature, called the Planck temperature, is equal to 10^32 degrees Kelvin.
 
there would haft to be an absolute temperature cause there is only so much energy in the universe to fuel it. we can't creat more energy but we can transform it.
 

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