What Is Acceleration and How Does It Relate to Velocity and Time?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of acceleration, its definition as a vector quantity, and its relationship with velocity and time. Participants explore various interpretations and definitions of acceleration, particularly in the context of changing velocity in a scenario involving a car's movement.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the definition of acceleration as the change in velocity over time, questioning whether time must be accounted for in calculations. There are attempts to clarify the distinction between change in velocity and change in acceleration.

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Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the relationship between acceleration, velocity, and time, while others express confusion about certain mathematical concepts, such as derivatives and vector differentiation. Multiple interpretations of acceleration are being explored, indicating a productive dialogue.

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There is mention of missing information regarding the time taken for changes in velocity, which is crucial for calculating acceleration. Some participants also note the need for a better understanding of linear algebra and calculus to fully grasp the concepts being discussed.

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Hi guys, I've been having a pretty hard time understanding exactly what acceleration is, the definitions I usually see are always different, so from what I've read, I know acceleration is a vector quantity and the definition is basically change in velocity?
So if let's say a car is going 45 km/h east, and it changes its route to and speed (magnitude) to 35 km/h west, that would be change in acceleration right? Or do you have to account in the time as well, acceleration = velocity / time?
I may be over thinking this concept, but would be nice if someone can really clarify this for me, thanks again, huge fan of the physics forums.
 
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oldspice1212 said:
Hi guys, I've been having a pretty hard time understanding exactly what acceleration is, the definitions I usually see are always different, so from what I've read, I know acceleration is a vector quantity and the definition is basically change in velocity?
No. It's change in velocity over a change in time. :wink:

oldspice1212 said:
So if let's say a car is going 45 km/h east, and it changes its route to and speed (magnitude) to 35 km/h west, that would be change in acceleration right? Or do you have to account in the time as well, acceleration = velocity / time?
I may be over thinking this concept, but would be nice if someone can really clarify this for me, thanks again, huge fan of the physics forums.
That would be a change in velocity. Not a change in acceleration.

What do you know about calculus? It's easy to explain if you know derivatives.
 
Ah right change in velocity over time lol. I've taken calculus one, so yes I know about derivatives and such :p.
 
oldspice1212 said:
Hi guys, I've been having a pretty hard time understanding exactly what acceleration is, the definitions I usually see are always different, so from what I've read, I know acceleration is a vector quantity and the definition is basically change in velocity?

This is essentially correct. To make it fully correct, say the rate of change in velocity. Rate implies that the "change" is divided by the time over which the "change" happens.

Just like velocity itself is the rate of change in displacement.

Mathematically, these "rate of change" things are known as "derivatives". Velocity is the derivative of displacement, and acceleration is the derivative of velocity (and the second derivative of displacement).

So if let's say a car is going 45 km/h east, and it changes its route to and speed (magnitude) to 35 km/h west, that would be change in acceleration right?

Change in velocity. It is -80 km/h. Note the minus sign, I assume that the eastern direction is positive.

Or do you have to account in the time as well, acceleration = velocity / time?

Not exactly. You do not need just time, you need the time it took for the change to occur. In your example, you did not give that time. If it took the car 20 seconds to undergo that change (say, by going through a roundabout), then the rate of change in velocity is (80 km/h) / (20 s) = 1.1 m/s2.
 
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oldspice1212 said:
Ah right change in velocity over time lol. I've taken calculus one, so yes I know about derivatives and such :p.
Alright. That's good. Then, I'll introduce you to a new concept.

Since we can write a vector, let's say ##\vec{x}=\begin{bmatrix}x_1 \\ x_2 \\ x_3\end{bmatrix}##, as a sum of the form ##\vec{x}=x_1\begin{bmatrix}1 \\ 0 \\ 0\end{bmatrix}+x_2\begin{bmatrix}0 \\ 1 \\ 0\end{bmatrix}+x_3\begin{bmatrix}0 \\ 0 \\ 1\end{bmatrix}##, we can say that vectors are differentiated by components. That is, ##\frac{d\vec{x}}{dt}=\frac{d}{dt}\begin{bmatrix}x_1 \\ x_2 \\ x_3\end{bmatrix}=\begin{bmatrix}\frac{dx_1}{dt} \\ \frac{dx_2}{dt} \\ \frac{dx_3}{dt}\end{bmatrix}##. This is the definition of the derivative of a vector (in Euclidean space) with respect to a scalar.

Thus, if we call ##\vec{x}## our displacement vector, then ##\vec{v}=\frac{d\vec{x}}{dt}## is the velocity vector and ##\vec{a}=\frac{d^2\vec{x}}{dt^2}## is the acceleration vector.
 
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@Voko
Thanks Voko, I remember how the concept of derivatives relates to acceleration and other physics quantities now, your definitions were very helpful.

@Mandelbroth
I see somewhat of what you're saying, but at other places I feel lost lol, I'll have to fresh up on my linear algebra I think to fully understand the acceleration vector as you presented it. It is very much appreciated though, thank you!

Thanks guys!
 
I'll put it in layman's terms.

You're traveling on a cycle.
You're speed after 1 second in 5 seconds is
0 second- 0 m/s
1 second- 2 m/s
2 seconds - 4 m/s
3 seconds - 6 m/s
4 seconds -8 m/s
5 seconds - 10 m/s

So what is happening is, you are increasing your speed by 2 m/s after every second. This makes your acceleration 2m/s/s or 2m/s^s.

This is just linear acceleration. For direction change, vector diagrams aer necessary.
 

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