What is actually phase velocity?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of phase velocity in the context of moving bodies and their wave representations, particularly in quantum mechanics. Participants explore the relationship between the motion of particles within a body and the corresponding wave behavior, including the implications of de Broglie waves and wave packets.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question why the wave representation of a moving body corresponds to a wave packet if all particles are said to move with the same velocity.
  • One participant describes the center of inertia of a body and suggests that it can be represented by a plane de Broglie wave, while relative coordinates describe oscillations and rotations around this center.
  • Another participant emphasizes that in quantum mechanics, the motion of individual particles cannot be described by a simple harmonic motion (SHM) wave equation, but rather requires a superposition of multiple wave equations with varying wavelengths and frequencies.
  • This superposition leads to a drift in the position of maximum amplitude, which is associated with the group velocity, equated to the velocity of the object.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between phase velocity, group velocity, and the wave representation of moving bodies. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on how these concepts interrelate.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made regarding the motion of particles and the definitions of phase and group velocities. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical relationships or the implications of these concepts in different contexts.

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What is actually phase velocity??

When a body moves aren't we supposed to say that each particles on the body moves with same velocity and so the de-broglie wave corresponding to each particle must have the same velocity. Then why should a wave representation of moving body correspond to a wave packet??
 
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rozan977 said:
When a body moves aren't we supposed to say that each particles on the body moves with same velocity and so the de-broglie wave corresponding to each particle must have the same velocity. Then why should a wave representation of moving body correspond to a wave packet??

A body has the center of inertia coordinates R and the relative ones ri. The center of inertia can be described with a plane de Broglie wave if the body is free, and the relative coordinates normally describe oscillations and rotations of particles around the center of inertia. The corresponding wave function describes a bound particle state.
 


When a body moves all of its constituent particle moves with same velocity
(provided that the body is in rectilinier motion). But what we are dealing in quantum mechanics is the motion of each such individual particle.
Even the motion of each such individual particle can't be accounted by a simple SHM wave equation. It needs to be defined by the superposition of several wave equation each varying slightly in wavelength and frequency. The result is that the position of maximum Amplitute constantly drifts away with a velocity known as group velocity. This velocity is also the velocity of the object.
 

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