What is an inner product and how can it be verified for polynomials?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of inner products, specifically in the context of polynomials. Participants explore the properties that define an inner product, the verification of a specific inner product form for polynomials, and the implications of these properties.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the inner product defined as the integral from -1 to 1 of P(x)Q(x)dx for polynomials P and Q.
  • Another participant questions the properties that must be satisfied to verify that this form is indeed an inner product.
  • There is a request for clarification on the set S to which the inner product applies.
  • Some participants discuss the general properties of inner products, including linearity, positivity, and definiteness.
  • One participant challenges the understanding of inner products by questioning the motivations of another poster asking about the definition.
  • There is a mention of the implications if the integral of P(x)^2 from -1 to 1 equals zero, prompting a discussion about the nature of polynomial P.
  • References to external resources, such as a Wikipedia article on inner product spaces, are provided for further exploration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing levels of understanding regarding inner products, with some seeking clarification while others assert definitions and properties. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the verification of the inner product for polynomials.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the set S and the specific conditions under which the inner product is defined remain unresolved. The discussion includes varying degrees of familiarity with the topic among participants.

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[-1]int[1]P(x)Q(x)dx P,Q\inS
verify that this is an inner product.
 
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What are the properties that define an inner product? You must show that your form satisfies all those properties.
 
Also, you need to give more information.
1) What is S?
2) This defines an inner product on which set?
 
what are the properties that can define the inner product? I know this only that
inner product is a generalization of the dot product. tell me more about this
 
If you really don't know what an inner product is, why are you asking this question?

An inner product, defined on a vector space, V, is a function that associates every pair of vectors, (u, v), a real number <u, v> satisfying
1) Linearity: <au+ bv, w>= a<u, w>+ b<v, w>
(If the vector space is over the complex numbers, a and b on the right should be their complex conjugates.)
2) <u, u>= 0 if and only if u= 0.
3) <u, u> is greater than 0 if u is not 0.

Here, you are defining <P, Q> to be int, from -1 to 1, P(x)Q(x)dx where P and Q are polynomials.

If int from -1 to 1 of P(x)^2 dx= 0, what can you say about P? What if P(x)= x^3?
 
HallsofIvy said:
If you really don't know what an inner product is, why are you asking this question?

An inner product, defined on a vector space, V, is a function that associates every pair of vectors, (u, v), a real number <u, v> satisfying
1) Linearity: <au+ bv, w>= a<u, w>+ b<v, w>
(If the vector space is over the complex numbers, a and b on the right should be their complex conjugates.)
2) <u, u>= 0 if and only if u= 0.
3) <u, u> is greater than 0 if u is not 0.

Here, you are defining <P, Q> to be int, from -1 to 1, P(x)Q(x)dx where P and Q are polynomials.

If int from -1 to 1 of P(x)^2 dx= 0, what can you say about P? What if P(x)= x^3?

This question was from a new poster.
The wikipedia article on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inner_product_space" is fairly good. To get familiar with them, try taking some of the examples they give there, and proving that they are indeed inner product spaces. You should also try to prove that every finite-dimensional inner product space over the field \mathbb{F} is isomorphic to \mathbb{F}^n.
 
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