What is Effective Potential in Physics?

In summary: The relationship between force and potential can be summarized as follows: The force between two particles is directly proportional to the potential energy of the particles.
  • #1
springo
126
0
Hi,
I'm looking for some information about effective potential, but I haven't found any (Wikipedia, Googled...). I was just willing to get a rough understanding of the concept, and understand what it is.
Could you explain/link to good info please?
Thank you very much.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
  • #2
It's at least mentioned in the context of GR at http://www.fourmilab.ch/gravitation/orbits/. This is pretty much taken from the textbook "Gravitation" by Misner, Thorne, Wheeler which goes into more detail along the same lines.

The fundamental idea here is that a body orbiting a central mass obeys certain differential equations, known as the geodesic equations. Furthermore, due to the presence of symmetries of the problem, certain quantities of the orbital motion analogous to Newtonian energy and angular momentum are conserved.

The term is also sometimes used in the context of analyzing Newtonian orbits. There are some references in Goldstein, "Classical mechanics", I think, but I haven't found any references for the Newtonian usage online. (The idea is definitely disucssed in Goldstein - I think the name is used as well, but I'm not positive).

In the Newtonain version of "effective potential", one observes that the differential equation for the radial part of the motion of a body orbiting a central mass can be separated into two different differential equations (i.e. the equations are separable) - one for the radial part of the motion, and the other for the angular part. The differential equation for only the radial part of the motion is a 1-d problem that can be physically re-interpreted as a mass and a (fictitious) non-linear spring. The nonlinear spring can be modeled by an "effective potential".

The GR usage is very similar - the "effective potential" is similar to the above fictitious 1-d potential in the Newtonian case. The "energy at infinity" in GR is more closely analogous to the usual Newtonian potential (but one must be careful not to assume the analogy goes too far).

I hope this helps some - I've tried to be clear, but it's early in the morning here :-(. I've got to run now, but I'll check back later.
 
  • #3
First thanks for your answer.
However there's something that's not clear in my mind: in fourmilab.ch, the author talks about "the position of the test mass on the gravitational energy curve". Does this mean that effective potential is gravitationnal potential energy?
 
Last edited:
  • #4
springo said:
First thanks for your answer.
However there's something that's not clear in my mind: in fourmilab.ch, the author talks about "the position of the test mass on the gravitational energy curve". Does this mean that effective potential is gravitational potential energy?

Not really. I'd suggest interpreting what they wrote as "the position of the test mass on the effective potential curve" instead. The authors of this webpage also call it the "gravitational effective potential" curve elsewhere, so they haven't "polished" their webpage, calling the same concept by several slightly different names.

The idea of separating kinetic and potential energy makes some sense in Newtonian theory, which has an "absolute space". In GR, one is better off avoiding this sort of separation, and dealing only with total energy, rather than attempting to separate it into "kinetic" and "potential" parts, because GR has no concept of "absolute space".

Thus the best approach in the spirit of GR for this particular case would be to saythat GR's concept of "energy at infinity" is approximately the same as the Newtonian concept of "kinetic plus potential energy".

On the webpage, the "energy at infinity" is represented by the symbol [tex]\~{E}[/tex] which is a constant number for any particle following a geodesic.

Note that "the position of the test mass on the gravitational energy curve" that the authors were talking about isn't the same as the "energy at infinity" - the former is a fictitious number that results when one reduces the problem to one dimension.

Also note that in the interest of trying to keep things simple, I've been talking about only a static, Schwarzschild geometry. The concept of energy in GR has other nuances which I've deliberately avoided.
 
Last edited:
  • #5
OK, so as far as I've understood, effective potential is a field where those geodesic equations apply and any object is subject to energy at infinity. Is that right?
Thanks.
 
Last edited:
  • #6
How much calculus have you had? In spite of efforts to keep things simple, I may be addressing the problem at too high a mathematical level.

Can you describe for me, quickly, your understanding of the relationship between force and potential?
 
  • #7
I haven't had much calculus, I just know the basics about derivation/integration.
All I know about relativity is what I've read because I'm interested in the subject of black holes. Before this, the only I'd heard the word 'potential' was in a lesson about gravitational potential energy (classical mechanics, I mean).
 

1. What is the effective potential concept?

The effective potential concept is a mathematical tool used in classical mechanics to describe the motion of a particle in a conservative force field. It takes into account both the kinetic energy and potential energy of the particle to determine its total energy and how it will behave under the influence of the force field.

2. How is the effective potential concept calculated?

The effective potential is calculated by subtracting the kinetic energy of the particle from its total energy, which is the sum of its kinetic and potential energy. This results in a single function that describes the behavior of the particle in the force field.

3. What is the significance of the effective potential in classical mechanics?

The effective potential allows us to simplify the problem of calculating the motion of a particle in a force field by reducing it to a one-dimensional problem. This simplification makes it easier to analyze and understand the behavior of the particle.

4. How does the shape of the effective potential affect the motion of a particle?

The shape of the effective potential determines the equilibrium points and stability of the particle's motion. For example, a particle at a minimum of the effective potential will be in a stable equilibrium, while a particle at a maximum will be in an unstable equilibrium.

5. Can the effective potential concept be applied to other fields of science?

Yes, the effective potential concept can be applied to other areas of physics, such as quantum mechanics and electromagnetism, to describe the behavior of particles in these fields. It can also be used in economics and chemistry to model the behavior of systems under different forces.

Similar threads

Replies
12
Views
937
Replies
4
Views
334
Replies
2
Views
1K
  • Introductory Physics Homework Help
Replies
2
Views
683
Replies
20
Views
7K
Replies
10
Views
1K
Replies
14
Views
2K
Replies
3
Views
1K
Replies
4
Views
1K
Back
Top