What is Enthelpy Conceptually?

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The discussion revolves around the conceptual understanding of enthalpy and its relationship to Gibbs free energy, particularly in the context of thermodynamics. Participants explore the definitions, significance, and applications of these concepts in solving problems.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether enthalpy is specifically heat energy or related to the energy that bonds atoms, and how it differs from Gibbs free energy.
  • Another participant suggests that enthalpy is a convenient parameter for problem-solving rather than a concept with fundamental significance, contrasting it with internal energy.
  • There is a request for a conceptual explanation of the equation ΔG=ΔH-TΔS, with a participant noting the difficulty in assigning physical significance to Gibbs free energy.

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Participants express differing views on the significance of enthalpy and Gibbs free energy, with no consensus on their fundamental meanings or conceptual explanations.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the challenge of assigning physical significance to enthalpy and Gibbs free energy, as well as the potential ambiguity in their definitions and applications in thermodynamics.

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So I understand that enthalpy is energy. But what energy specifically? Is enthalpy heat energy? Is it the energy that bonds atoms together and that's why it can either be released or absorbed? Or is that what Gibbs free energy is?

I'm trying to make sense of the equation:

ΔG=ΔH-TΔS

Conceptually, how is enthalpy different from Gibbs free energy?

Thanks!
 
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Enthalpy is just a convenient parameter to work with in solving certain kinds of problems. It doesn't have a fundamental significance (in my judgment) like internal energy has. It is just H = U + PV, and this group arises often in many problems and analyses. My advice is not to spend too much of your valuable time trying to assign a fundamental physical significance to H. After you get some experience solving thermo problems, you will become much more comfortable with enthalpy.
 
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Chestermiller said:
Enthalpy is just a convenient parameter to work with in solving certain kinds of problems. It doesn't have a fundamental significance (in my judgment) like internal energy has. It is just H = U + PV, and this group arises often in many problems and analyses. My advice is not to spend too much of your valuable time trying to assign a fundamental physical significance to H. After you get some experience solving thermo problems, you will become much more comfortable with enthalpy.
Fair enough. So then is there a way to conceptually explain ΔG=ΔH-TΔS? Or is that not really possible?
 
Cole said:
Fair enough. So then is there a way to conceptually explain ΔG=ΔH-TΔS? Or is that not really possible?
G is another useful function that comes into play in many types of problems. It too is difficult to assign physical significance to. The more fundamental thermodynamic properties, internal energy U and entropy S, can be assigned physical significance.

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