What is integration of y/(x^2-y^2) dx

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The discussion revolves around the integration of the expression y/(x^2-y^2) with respect to x. Participants explore various methods of integration, including partial fraction decomposition and connections to hyperbolic functions, while addressing the treatment of y as a constant or a variable.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest using partial fraction decomposition, treating y as a constant during integration.
  • One participant proposes the Heaviside cover-up method for partial fraction decomposition.
  • Another participant mentions the need for absolute values in the logarithmic terms of the integral result.
  • There are references to standard integration formulas related to hyperbolic functions and their derivatives.
  • Some participants question whether y should be treated as a constant or if it is dependent on x, suggesting a possible connection to differential equations.
  • Discrepancies arise regarding the inclusion of a function of y in the constant of integration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the treatment of y (as a constant or variable) and the correctness of the integration results. No consensus is reached on the final form of the integral or the assumptions regarding y.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the assumptions about y's dependence on x, and the discussion includes various approaches that may not fully resolve the integration process.

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Hi all

can please explaine to me what is integration of y/(x^2-y^2) dx

step by step ...
 
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Re: what is integration of y/(x^2-y^2) dx

Hey Ahmed :

I think you have already studied partial fraction decomposition when you learned about integration .

Here we can treat y as constant hence, we don't need to worry about it , because we are integrating w.r.t x ...

we know by the difference of two squares that :

$$x^2-y^2=(x-y)(x+y)$$

$$\frac{y}{(x-y)(x+y)}=\frac{A}{x-y}+\frac{B}{x+y}$$

Hence we have the following :

$$y = A(x+y) + B(x-y) $$

Now we need to find both A and B so do the following :

1- put x= y so the equation becomes :

$$y = 2y\, A$$ , $$ A =\frac{1}{2}$$

2-To find B we put x=-y

$$y = -2y \,B $$ , $$ B =\frac{-1}{2}$$

$$\frac{y}{(x-y)(x+y)}=\frac{\frac{1}{2}}{x-y}+\frac{\frac{-1}{2}}{x+y}$$

Now can you integrate the right hand side ?
 
Re: what is integration of y/(x^2-y^2) dx

1/2ln(x-y) + -1/2(x+y)
 
Re: what is integration of y/(x^2-y^2) dx

rsoy said:
Hi all

can please explaine to me what is integration of y/(x^2-y^2) dx

step by step ...

Did you check out the Heaviside cover-up method I pointed you to the other day for partial fraction decomposition?
 
Re: what is integration of y/(x^2-y^2) dx

rsoy said:
1/2ln(x-y) + -1/2(x+y)

No, this isn't correct , you are missing an absolute value and a ln in the second part !

Also , don't forget that there should be a constant which is a function of y ...
 
Re: what is integration of y/(x^2-y^2) dx

1/2ln(x-y) + -1/2ln(x+y) + c

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MarkFL said:
Did you check out the Heaviside cover-up method I pointed you to the other day for partial fraction decomposition?

Yes
 
Re: what is integration of y/(x^2-y^2) dx

rsoy said:
1/2ln(x-y) + -1/2ln(x+y) + c

Still , you are missing the absolute value , also C here is a function of y it is is usually wirtten $$\phi(y)$$
 
Re: what is integration of y/(x^2-y^2) dx

rsoy said:
Hi all

can please explaine to me what is integration of y/(x^2-y^2) dx

step by step ...

Has this question come from trying to solve a differential equation, which would make y a function of x? Or are you doing a "partial integral", in other words, holding y constant while trying to integrate with respect to x?
 
Re: what is integration of y/(x^2-y^2) dx

rsoy said:
Hi all

can please explaine to me what is integration of y/(x^2-y^2) dx

step by step ...

Another approach.
If you have a list of derivatives of trigonometric hyperbolic functions, you should have:
$$\frac{d}{dx} \text{ artanh } x = \frac 1 {1-x^2}$$
 
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Re: what is integration of y/(x^2-y^2) dx

I like Serena said:
Another approach.
If you have a list of derivatives of trigonometric functions, you should have:
$$\frac{d}{dx} \text{ artanh } x = \frac 1 {1-x^2}$$

Hyperbolic functions...
 
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Hello, rsoy!

$\displaystyle\int \frac{y}{x^2-y^2}\,dx$
Since $y$ is treated as a constant $b$, we have: .$\displaystyle b\int\frac{dx}{x^2-b^2}$There is a standard integration formula: .$\displaystyle \int \frac{du}{u^2-a^2} \:=\:\frac{1}{2a}\ln\left|\frac{u-a}{u+a}\right|+C $Therefore: .$\displaystyle b\left(\frac{1}{2b}\right)\ln\left|\frac{x-b}{x+b}\right|+C \;=\;\frac{1}{2}\ln\left|\frac{x-y}{x+y}\right|+C$
 
  • #12
soroban said:
Hello, rsoy!


Since $y$ is treated as a constant $b$

The OP has not specified if this is actually the case...
 
  • #13
Prove It said:
The OP has not specified if this is actually the case...

I believe your earlier suspicion that this arose in the process of solving an ODE was correct, i.e., that $y$ is actually dependent upon $x$.
 

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