What is the acceleration of a pendulum at its maximum deflection?

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The problem involves a pendulum consisting of a small sphere attached to a string, swinging to a maximum angle of 60 degrees with the vertical. The questions focus on determining the velocity of the sphere at the vertical position and the instantaneous acceleration at maximum deflection.

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  • Participants discuss the application of conservation of energy to find the velocity at the vertical position, questioning the correct height to use in calculations.
  • There are inquiries about the nature of acceleration at maximum deflection, including the components of acceleration and the relationship between centripetal acceleration and speed.
  • Some participants suggest using trigonometric functions to determine height and acceleration, while others express uncertainty about the correct approach.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations of the problem being explored. Participants have provided hints and guidance regarding the use of energy conservation and the components of acceleration, but no consensus has been reached on the correct calculations or assumptions.

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Participants are considering the implications of the pendulum's maximum deflection and the associated height changes, with some confusion about the correct height to use in calculations. The problem is framed within the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information available for discussion.

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Homework Statement


A small sphere of mass m is fastened to a weightless string of length 0.5m to form a pendulum. The pendulum is swinging so as to make a maximum angle of 60 degrees with the vertical.
a) What is the velocity of the sphere when it passes through the vertical position?
b) What is the instantaneous acceleration when the pendulum is at its maximum deflection?

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a) What is the velocity of the sphere when it passes through the vertical position?
I think that K should be = U because they only change is the pendulum's speed. Is that correct?
1/2mv2= mgh

So the m's cancel and you are left with:
1/2v2 = 9.8(0.43)
v = 2.9 m/s

Did I do that correctly?

b) What is the instantaneous acceleration when the pendulum is at its maximum deflection?
I am not sure where to begin for this part.
 
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Hi southernbelle! :smile:
southernbelle said:
a) What is the velocity of the sphere when it passes through the vertical position?
I think that K should be = U because they only change is the pendulum's speed. Is that correct?
1/2mv2= mgh

So the m's cancel and you are left with:
1/2v2 = 9.8(0.43)
v = 2.9 m/s

Did I do that correctly?

Nope … you used sin60º …

but that's the sideways height :cry:

I think Newton would have wanted you to use the vertical height! :wink:
b) What is the instantaneous acceleration when the pendulum is at its maximum deflection?
I am not sure where to begin for this part.

Hint: how does centripetal acceleration depend on speed? :smile:
 
The acceleration is usually the derivative of the speed, correct? But I don't think it would be = 0.
 
Acceleration is the derivative of displacement, yes, although its relation to linear velocity/speed is given by

a_c = \frac{v^2}{r} which you've hopefully seen before.
 
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southernbelle said:
The acceleration is usually the derivative of the speed, correct?
Acceleration is the derivative of the velocity, a vector.

Note that the acceleration has two components: A radial (or centripetal) component and a tangential component. Consider them both.
 
Could I use
a= gcos60?

Although I guess I can use the length of the string as r in the equation
ac = v2/r
 
southernbelle said:
Could I use
a= gcos60?

Although I guess I can use the length of the string as r in the equation
ac = v2/r

Didn't they ask you for a at the point of maximum deflection? What is its v at that point?
 
I got 3.1 for the v.
I did:

1/2mv2 = mgh
v2=2gh
v2 = 2 [9.8(0.5)]
v=3.1m/s

Is that correct? Should I have used 0.5 for the height?

If that is right, then the acceleration would equal 3.1/0.5 = 6.2 m/s2
 
southernbelle said:
I got 3.1 for the v.
I did:

1/2mv2 = mgh
v2=2gh
v2 = 2 [9.8(0.5)]
v=3.1m/s

Is that correct? Should I have used 0.5 for the height?

If that is right, then the acceleration would equal 3.1/0.5 = 6.2 m/s2

But what is the height? Wasn't the deflection only 60 degrees?
 
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Yes, the deflection is 60 degrees.

I used 0.5 as the height because that is the length of the string.
 
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difference in height

southernbelle said:
Yes, the deflection is 60 degrees.

I used 0.5 as the height because that is the length of the string.

Hi southernbelle! :smile:

The height, h, in the formula PE = mgh,

is the difference in height between the initial and final position.

('cos you're using conservation of energy, so it's the change that matters :wink:)

So in this case it's the vertical amount by which the sphere is higher …

at the bottom position it's at 0.5 below the hinge, and at 60º to the vertical it's at … ? :smile:
 

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