What Is the Amplitude and Period in Forced Oscillation?

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving forced oscillation, specifically analyzing the amplitude and period of a mass-spring system subjected to an external driving force. The object in question has a mass of 2.00 kg and is attached to a spring with a force constant of 20 N/m, with the external force described by F = (3.00 N)sin(2πt).

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  • Participants explore the relationship between angular frequency and natural frequency, questioning which values to use in the amplitude equation. There is discussion about the implications of damping and the conditions for resonance.

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Some participants have provided guidance on substituting values into the amplitude equation, while others express confusion regarding the definitions of angular frequency and natural frequency. There is acknowledgment of differing interpretations and attempts to clarify the setup of the problem.

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Participants note the assumption of a frictionless system and the potential implications of this assumption on the calculations. There is also mention of the book's answer for amplitude, which some participants are trying to reconcile with their calculations.

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[SOLVED] Forced Oscillation Q

Homework Statement



A 2.00kg object attatched to a spring moves without friction and is driven by an external force given by

[tex]F= (3.00N)sin(2 \pi t)[/tex]

The force constant of the spring is 20N/m. Determine

a) period
b) amplitude of motion

Homework Equations



[tex]T= 2 \pi / \omega[/tex]

[tex]A= (F_o /m)/ \sqrt{ (\omega^2- \omega_o^2)^2 + (b \omega /m)^2}[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



a) [tex]T= 2 \pi / \omega[/tex]
[tex]T= 2 \pi/ 2 \pi = 1 s[/tex]

b) Um..[tex]A= (F_o /m)/ \sqrt{ (\omega^2- \omega_o^2)^2 + (b \omega /m)^2}[/tex]

however I'm not sure as to what the

[tex]F= (3.00N)sin(2 \pi t)[/tex]

[tex]F_o= 3.00N[/tex]
[tex]\omega = 2 \pi[/tex]

I'm not sure as to what that omega in the given equation is..is it [tex]\omega_o[/tex] or just the [tex]\omega[/tex] ?

b= 0 so that cancels out...

Thanks a lot
 
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wo is the angular frequency of the driving force and w is the natural frequency of the oscillating spring. When w = wo the amplitude of the forced oscillation is maximum and that is the condition for the resonance.
 
rl.bhat said:
wo is the angular frequency of the driving force and w is the natural frequency of the oscillating spring. When w = wo the amplitude of the forced oscillation is maximum and that is the condition for the resonance.

but I was curious to know which one was given in the equation as I know it's written in my book that it is [tex]\omega[/tex] but I don't know which one. And after I know which one it is how do I find the other one since I want to find amplitude.
 
rl.bhat said:
wo is the angular frequency of the driving force and w is the natural frequency of the oscillating spring. When w = wo the amplitude of the forced oscillation is maximum and that is the condition for the resonance.
Actually the normal convention is the opposite way around, [tex]\omega_0[/tex] being the natural frequency.
... but I don't know which one. And after I know which one it is how do I find the other one since I want to find amplitude.

The natural frequency [tex]\omega_0[/tex] is equal to [tex]\sqrt{k/m}[/tex], where "k" is the spring constant.

BTW. Obviously you're using a cookie cutter approach of substituting into "Relevant" equations so I'm guessing that a first principle appraoch of solving the systems differential equation is beyond the scope of your current course. I should however point out that the way you are solving this system is fundementally flawed in that with a truly frictionless systems the natural response cannot be ingored for any value of time t. Your "relevant equations" are only finding the particular solution and ingoring the homogenious solution which depends upon the initial conditions.

Actually your approach would however be valid as a good approximation if your system is presented as a near frictionless system in steady state (note that a true frictionless system never actually reaches steady state).

BTW. The truly relevant equation for this system is the DE: [tex]m \,\,d^2x/dt^2 + k x= A sin(wt)[/tex]
 
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b) amplitude of motion

[tex]A= (F_o /m)/ \sqrt{ (\omega^2- \omega_o^2)^2 + (b \omega /m)^2}[/tex]

however I'm not sure as to

b= 0 so that cancels out... ====> this IS supposed to cancel out right??

I can't figure the correct answer out...

[tex]\omega = \omega_o[/tex] thus they SHOULD cancel out thus = 0
However I said that since the damping was small then shouldn't (frictionless) b= 0 as well?

But if this above is true then the bottom of the Amplitude eqzn would cancel out since it would = 0 + 0?

Then in the end wouldn't the equation be just

[tex]A= (F_o /m)/ \sqrt{ (\omega^2- \omega_o^2)^2 + (b \omega /m)^2}[/tex]

[tex]A= F_o/m[/tex]

(after cancelling out everything?)
Then
A= 3/2= 1.5 => wrong...

Book answer is 5.09cm

Okay so then I think that I actually plug in for omega's and b is I assume 0 since damping is nonexistant(frictionless)

but after plugging in

[tex]\omega= sqrt{ k/m} = sqrt {20.0N/m / 2.00kg}= 3.1623[/tex]

and [tex]\omega = 2 \pi[/tex] from equation given

and what do I get??

[tex]A= (F_o /m)/ \sqrt{ (\omega^2- \omega_o^2)^2 + (b \omega /m)^2}[/tex]

[tex]A= (3.0N /2.00kg)/ \sqrt{ ((2 \pi )^2- (3.1623))^2 + (0)^2}[/tex]

[tex]A= 1.5/ 5.429 = .27629m => 0.0027629m[/tex]

Which is ALSO NOT the answer :rolleyes:

Answer from book is 5.09cm


Can someone please help me figure out why it isn't the answer the same as the book answer..

THANKS VERY MUCH
 
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Natural frequency of the sping is given by wo^2 = k/m = 20/2 = 10
Angular frequency of the driving force =w=2*pi. Substitute these values in the expression for amplitude( put b = 0 ), you will get the answer.
 
rl.bhat said:
Natural frequency of the sping is given by wo^2 = k/m = 20/2 = 10
Angular frequency of the driving force =w=2*pi. Substitute these values in the expression for amplitude( put b = 0 ), you will get the answer.

I got it THANKS rl.bhat :smile:
 

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