What is the Angular Frequency of a Bent Wire Over a Pivot?

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The problem involves a uniform wire bent into an upside-down V shape, positioned over a pivot, with the goal of determining the angular frequency of small-amplitude oscillations about its equilibrium position. The context relates to concepts in mechanics, particularly the behavior of physical pendulums.

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  • Participants discuss the need to find the center of mass of the bent wire and consider its implications for the oscillation dynamics. There is mention of using the equations for angular frequency and the moment of inertia, with some participants questioning the assumptions regarding the shape and mass distribution of the wire.

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Some participants have offered hints and suggestions for approaching the problem, such as treating the wire as a physical pendulum. There is ongoing exploration of the moment of inertia and the center of mass, with various interpretations being discussed. No explicit consensus has been reached yet.

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Participants note the complexity introduced by the wire's shape and the need to consider it as two rods rather than a point mass, which affects the calculations for the moment of inertia.

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Homework Statement


A uniform piece of wire is bent into an upside down V shape with angle [itex]\theta[/itex] between two legs of length L. The wire is placed over a pivot. Show that the angular frequency of small-amplitude oscillations about the equilibrium is
[tex]\omega=\sqrt{\frac{3g\cos(\frac{\theta}{2})}{2L}}[/tex]


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maybe centre of mass of a rod comes into it
maybe [itex]\omega=\sqrt{\frac{k}{I}}[/itex]


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Don't know how to start this problem
 
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Hint: Treat it as a physical pendulum. (Which is what it is.)
 
the shape of the thing makes it a bit tricky because i think i have to find out the centre of mass
perhaps the centre of mass could be found by
[tex]\cos(\frac{\theta}{2})}=\frac{x}{\frac{L}{2}}[/tex]
where x is the vertical distance as measured from the pivot point
so
[tex]x=\frac{L}{2}\cos(\frac{\theta}{2})}[/tex]
and let the mass of the wire be m
then
[tex]I\alpha=mgx\sin\phi[/tex]
[tex]I=mx^2[/tex]
where
[tex]\alpha=\frac{d^2\phi}{dt^2}[/tex]
[tex]mx^2\frac{d^2\phi}{dt^2}=mgx\sin\phi[/tex]
[tex]x\frac{d^2\phi}{dt^2}=g\sin\phi[/tex]
[tex]\frac{L}{2}\cos(\frac{\theta}{2})}\frac{d^2\phi}{dt^2}\approx g\phi[/tex]
not sure where a 3 will pop in but that's my best effort
 
It's not true for this case that [itex]I = mx^2[/itex], because it's not a point mass, it's a rod. (Actually it's like two rods)
 
ok i think i have it
[tex]I=\frac{2}{3}mL^2[/tex]
[tex]I\alpha\approx 2mgx\phi[/tex]
and then omega can be calculated from this
[tex]\frac{1}{3}L^2\alpha\approx gx\phi[/tex]
 

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