What is the Angular Frequency of Small Oscillations for a One-Dimensional Mass?

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The problem involves determining the angular frequency of small oscillations for a one-dimensional mass based on its potential energy function. The potential energy is given as a function of distance from the origin, and the task includes finding the equilibrium position and expressing the potential energy in a specific quadratic form for small displacements.

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  • Participants discuss the process of finding the equilibrium position by taking derivatives of the potential energy function. There are attempts to apply Taylor expansion to express the potential energy in the required form, with some questioning the validity of ignoring certain terms.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the correct application of Taylor series, while others have expressed confusion about the expansion process and the treatment of small terms. There is an acknowledgment of the need for careful notation and understanding of the Taylor expansion method.

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Homework Statement


This is the problem verbatim:

The Potential energy of a one-dimensional mass m at distance r from the origin is

U(r) = U0 ((r/R) +(lambda^2 (R/r))

for 0 < r < infinity, with U0 , R, and lambda all positive constants. Find the equilibrium position r0. Let x be the distance from equilibrium and show that, for small x, the PE has the form U = const + 1/2 kx^2. What is the angular frequency of small oscillations?

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I have solved for the equilibrium position by taking the first derivative and setting that equal to zero to find that position to be lambda R.

My problem now is that I cannot figure out how to arrange the equation in the aforementioned form. I have taken the Taylor Polynomial of U(r) and eliminated the first few terms leaving the second derivative multiplied by x^2/2 which is obviously where that portion in the above equation comes from. However, I do not get a constant if I sub r0 in ignoring x because of it being small. I really have tried many different attempts and cannot figure it out.
 
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Please show your attempt at the Taylor expansion so that we can see if there are any errors in your work. I don't understand the following statement:
Borus Ken said:
I do not get a constant if I sub r0 in ignoring x because of it being small.
 
Thanks for the reply and I apologize. My attempt is as follows.

U( r) = U ( r) + U'(r)x + (1/2)U''(r)x^2... Ignoring the following terms because x is already small and x^n where n >2 is negligible. Also, from what I have gathered the first term can be ignored and U'(r)x near equilibrium will be close to zero. Therefore the only term left is (1/2) U''(r)x^2. For the second derivative of the equation I get:

U''(r) = U0 2(lambda^2) R/r^3.

Subbing in r0 + x gives a nasty equation. However, If I ignore x because it is small ( not sure if I can do that, I was just trying to find a solution) I only get a term proportional to x^2 or akin to 1/2 kx^2 rather than that plus a constant. So I am stumped to say the least.
 
OK, you have the right idea, but you need to be careful with exactly how you write the expansion. You wrote
Borus Ken said:
U( r) = U ( r) + U'(r)x + (1/2)U''(r)x^2...
But note how this doesn't make sense as written. On the left you have ##U(r)##. But the first term on the right side is also ##U(r)##. Clearly, something's wrong here.

Review how to do a Taylor expansion about a point. For example, see this link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor_series#Definition

You are dealing with a function of ##r##, so you should replace all the ##x##'s in the link with ##r##'s. You also need to think about the choice of the point ##a## in the link. That is, decide what value of ##r## that you want to "expand about".
 
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Thank you TSny.

I haven't reviewed Taylor Series for about a year and after reviewing them I was quickly able to solve the problem. I appreciate your help.
 

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