What is the angular speed of a rotating line of skaters?

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The problem involves a scenario with eight skaters forming a line that rotates about one skater who stops abruptly. The objective is to determine the angular speed of the rotating line of skaters, with a focus on the principles of angular momentum and moment of inertia.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of conservation of angular momentum and question the initial and final axes of rotation. There are attempts to clarify the moment of inertia calculations and the mass considerations for the rotating system.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the problem, with participants providing hints and questioning the assumptions made regarding the axes of rotation and the mass of the skaters. Some participants suggest reconsidering the moment of inertia formulas used and the implications of the skater who stops.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential discrepancies in the calculations and the need to clarify the setup of the problem, particularly regarding the mass distribution and the axis of rotation. There is an emphasis on understanding the implications of treating the skaters as a uniform rod.

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Homework Statement


Eight 60-kg skaters join hands and skate down an ice rink at 4.6 m/s. Side by side, they form a line 12m long. The skater at one end stops abruptly, and the line proceeds to rotate rigidly about that skater. Find the angular speed.


Homework Equations


[tex]L=I\omega[/tex]
[tex]I_{rod} = \frac{1}{3}ML^2[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution


I said that initial angular momentum = [tex]rmv = 6m \times 480kg \times 4.6m/s = 13248 kg m^2 /s[/tex]
final angular momentum = [tex]\frac{1}{3} \times 480 \times 12^2 \times \omega=23040\omega[/tex]
so
[tex]13248=23040\omega[/tex]
[tex]\omega=0.575 rad / sec[/tex]
which according to the book is wrong. In the book it said 0.537 rad /sec. What have I done wrong here?

thanks
 
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As far as I can tell...if he stops the group will rotate about his center not at the end of his body in which you are implying by r = 6. so find the length of each person etc...
 
You applied conservation of angular momentum. Thats good. But the equations are wrong.

Think : What is the initial axis of rotation and the final axis of rotation. And find the angular momentum about those axes.
 
Can you look at this like a weel? Where the stop person has velocity of zero and the far one has a velocity of 9.2m/s?
 
FedEx said:
You applied conservation of angular momentum. Thats good. But the equations are wrong.

Think : What is the initial axis of rotation and the final axis of rotation. And find the angular momentum about those axes.

My guess was initial axis was the centre of mass of the skaters and the final axis was the end of the rod (I treated the line of skaters as a uniform rod)
 
vladimir69 said:
My guess was initial axis was the centre of mass of the skaters and the final axis was the end of the rod (I treated the line of skaters as a uniform rod)

Thats true. But the initial momentum is not mvr. There is a mistake in the final momentum also.

Hint 1: What is the moment of inertia of a rod through the center of mass?

Hint 2: The mass for the final momentum is not 480. Think. you have to substract the mass of one person. The person about which the rotation is taking place.
 
moment of inertia through the centre of a rod is
[tex]L=\frac{1}{12}ML^2[/tex]
i suppose you could pop off a 60kg here and there to get mass= 420kg but that doesn't make much sense to me because of my initial guesses. if it truly is a rod rotating right at the end of it then i thought i had to use
[tex]L=\frac{1}{3}ML^2[/tex]
as for the initial momentum i couldn't make another guess of what it could be

thanks for the help
 

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