What is the Atomic Mass of Deuterium According to Parthey's Measurements?

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The discussion centers around the atomic mass of Deuterium as measured by CG Parthey, particularly in relation to the frequency difference between Hydrogen and Deuterium transitions. Participants explore the implications of these measurements, the formulas used for calculations, and potential discrepancies with established values.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a formula to calculate the atomic mass of Deuterium based on the frequency difference between Hydrogen and Deuterium, yielding a result that differs from the Codata value.
  • Another participant clarifies that the ratio used in the calculations pertains to the electron's reduced mass for both Hydrogen and Deuterium.
  • A participant suggests that the discrepancy might arise from the nonlinear dependence of the Dirac energy on the mass ratio, indicating a potential area for further exploration.
  • There is a proposal to calculate the frequency difference using the Dirac equation with both the Codata value and the calculated value to see which aligns better with Parthey's measurements.
  • Some participants note that calculations may need to focus on the 1s-2p transition instead of the 1s-2s transition due to conservation of angular momentum issues.
  • One participant questions how Parthey could measure the 1s-2s transition if it is considered 'forbidden', referencing a similar issue discussed in another thread.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of the assumptions and formulas used in the calculations, and there is no consensus on the source of the discrepancy between the calculated atomic mass of Deuterium and the Codata value.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential limitations in the assumptions made regarding the transitions and the applicability of the Dirac equation, as well as the implications of angular momentum conservation in the calculations.

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In the same article which describes the accurate measurement of the Hydrogen 1s-2s transition at:

2 466 061 413 187 035 (10) Hz,

CG Parthey also measures the frequency difference between Hydrogen and Deuterium which he gives as:

670 994 334 606(15) Hz.

Assuming that the transition frequencies for Hydrogen and Deuterium are in the ratio of their reduced masses, I determine the atomic mass of Deuterium according to the following formula.

\large \frac{m_e\left(1+\frac{\Delta f}{f_h}\right)}{\frac{m_e}{m_p}-\frac{\Delta f}{f_h}}

The result is 3.3434891661E-27 as compared to the Codata value 3.3435834800E-27

Given the levels of accuracy in Parthey's measurements, there seems to be some discrepancy between the calculated result and the Codata value.

Am I perhaps making an incorrect assumption or am using an incorrect formula ? If not what might be an explanation for this discrepancy ?
 
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Sorry - that is to say in the ratio of the electron's reduced mass (Hydrogen) to electron's reduced mass (Deuterium).
 
I would guess that the discrepancy is because the Dirac energy (2.3) has a nonlinear dependence on ##m_e/m_N##. It's hard to quickly determine the order of magnitude of the correction since it ultimately appears in a difference.
 
Could you perhaps try calculating the frequency difference using the Dirac equation with Codata value for atomic mass of Deuterium and then with the above value. See which one predicts better against Parthey's measurement. (I haven't a clue about the Dirac equation so would not be able to do this myself.)
 
Calculations may be on 1s-2p cause 1s-2s can't conserve angular momentum.
 
theodoros.mihos said:
Calculations may be on 1s-2p cause 1s-2s can't conserve angular momentum.
Perhaps I'm out of depth on theory here but if the 1s-2s transition is 'forbidden' , then how does Parthey measure it ? Same issue arose in another PF discussion on the Lyman Alpha profile.
 

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