What is the Beam Solid Angle of an Antenna?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of Beam solid angle in the context of antenna theory. Participants explore definitions, equations, and the relationships between various quantities such as radiated power, Poynting vector, and radiation intensity. The conversation includes technical explanations and clarifications regarding the calculations involved in determining the Beam solid angle.

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Main Points Raised

  • Alan presents a definition of Beam solid angle and questions the discrepancy between his derived formula and the one provided in a reference book.
  • Some participants argue that the total radiated power should be calculated using the Poynting vector rather than the average power density, suggesting that Alan's approach is incorrect.
  • Alan defends his use of the average Poynting vector and claims it is consistent with multiple sources, while acknowledging a mistake regarding the units of the Beam solid angle.
  • There is a discussion about the importance of integrating over surface area versus time when calculating power, with some participants emphasizing the need for clarity in definitions.
  • Participants share their opinions on the quality of various textbooks on antennas, including Balanis, Stutzman, and Kraus, with differing perspectives on their usefulness for self-study.

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Participants express differing views on the correct approach to calculating the Beam solid angle and the definitions of related quantities. While some points are clarified, no consensus is reached on all aspects of the discussion.

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There are unresolved issues regarding the definitions and relationships between power, power density, and the Poynting vector. Participants reference different textbooks, which may contribute to the confusion over terminology and equations.

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This discussion may be of interest to students and professionals in the fields of electrical engineering and antenna theory, particularly those seeking to understand the nuances of Beam solid angle calculations and related concepts.

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The definition of Beam solid angle: For an antenna with single main lobe, the Beam solid angle defines as:

The solid angle \; \Omega_A\; where all the radiated power would flow with radiation intensity equal to maximum and constant inside the Beam solid angle \; \Omega_A\;.

The book gave:

\Omega_A\;=\; \int F(\theta,\phi) d \Omega \;\hbox{ where }\; F(\theta,\phi)=\frac { P_{av}(\theta, \phi)}{P_{max}}

But from the definition, the \; \Omega_A\; depend on the total power radiated divid by the \;P_{max}\; times the total steradians of the sphere.

Total power radiated = P_{Rad}=\int P_{av}(\theta,\phi) dS= \int R^2\;P_{av}(\theta,\phi)\;d\Omega

\Omega_A = 4\pi \frac { P_{Rad}(\theta,\phi)}{P_{max}} = 4\pi R^2 \frac{\int P_{av}(\theta,\phi) d\Omega} {P_{max}} = 4\pi R^2 \int \frac { P_{av}(\theta,\phi)}{P_{max}} d \Omega = 4\pi R^2 \int F(\theta,\phi) d\Omega

You see there is a \;4\pi R^2\; difference between the definition and the given formula, please help.

Thanks

Alan
 
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I don't think your second equation is correct. The total radiated power is the integral over the surface S of the Poynting Vector, not Pav. Since Poynting vector is a power flux density, there will be no mysterious factor of R^2.
 
marcusl said:
I don't think your second equation is correct. The total radiated power is the integral over the surface S of the Poynting Vector, not Pav. Since Poynting vector is a power flux density, there will be no mysterious factor of R^2.


I am typing word to work the definition of Beam Solid Angle from the book:

[Quote Book]

\hbox { Directivity }\;D = \frac {P_{max}}{P_{Rad}4\pi R^2} = \frac { 4\pi R^2 P_{max}}{\int P_{av}(\theta,\phi)R^2\sin\theta\;d\theta\;d\phi};=\; \frac {4\pi U(\theta,\phi)}{\int U(\theta,\phi)\sin\theta\;d\theta\;d\phi}\; = \;\frac {4\pi B_0 F(\theta,\phi)}{\int B_0 F(\theta,\phi)\sin\theta\;d\theta\;d\phi}\; =\; \frac {4\pi}{[ \int F(\theta,\phi)\sin\theta\;d\theta\;d\phi\;]/F_{max}}

\hbox { Dedfine }\;\Omega_A=\frac 1 {F_{max}} \int F(\theta,\phi)\sin\theta\;d\theta\;d\phi

The Beam solid angle \;\Omega_A\; is defined as the solid angle through which all the power of the antenna would flow if it's radiation intensity is constant ( and equal to the maximum value of U) for all angles within \;\Omega_A\;.
[End Book]

Notice the definition formula and the words from the book don't agree? As I explained, according to the definition in words:

\Omega_A=\frac {P_{Rad}}{U_{max}} \times 4\pi\;\hbox { steradians.}

We use P_{av}\; which is the time average of the poynting vector.

\vec P_{av} =\int_0^T \vec E \times \vec H^* d\;t


Radiation Intensity defines as \; U(\theta,\phi)=R^2 P_{av}(\theta,\phi)

P_{Rad}=\int_0^{2\pi}\int_0^{\pi} P_{av} R^2 \sin\theta\;d\theta\;d\phi\;=\; \int U(\theta,\phi) d \Omega \;\hbox { where }\;d\Omega = \sin\theta \;d \theta\;d\phi\; \hbox { and } dS=R^2 d\Omega
 
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The section you quote from the book makes sense and is consistent. What you type after that is not, and your equation for Pav is wrong. You misunderstand Poynting vector and power flux density, which are not the same as power. Please review these concepts in a good E&M text before proceeding. All should then be clear.
 
marcusl said:
The section you quote from the book makes sense and is consistent. What you type after that is not, and your equation for Pav is wrong. You misunderstand Poynting vector and power flux density, which are not the same as power. Please review these concepts in a good E&M text before proceeding. All should then be clear.

I figure the problem already.

But my equation of Pav is correct, this is backed up by 3 books including Balanis. Pav is the time average poynting vector and is per meter square. I never said it is power. Prad is total power in Watts.

I original mistake is that I forget Umax is per steradian and I mistakenly times 4\pi.

Thanks for you help anyway.

Alan
 
I am glad you got things to work. Please be careful about Pav, however. In my copy of Balanis (2nd edition), Eq. (2-9)
<br /> P_{av}=\frac{1}{2}\int{Re(\vec{E}\times\vec{H}^*)}\cdot d\vec{s}
and the text accompanying it clearly show that Pav is power, not power density. Note by comparison that your integral is over time.
 
marcusl said:
I am glad you got things to work. Please be careful about Pav, however. In my copy of Balanis (2nd edition), Eq. (2-9)
<br /> P_{av}=\frac{1}{2}\int{Re(\vec{E}\times\vec{H}^*)}\cdot d\vec{s}
and the text accompanying it clearly show that Pav is power, not power density. Note by comparison that your integral is over time.


You are right, my mistake from just pulling out of my head, I left out the Re[] part. The confusion is I use 3 books and they all have different names. Pav I use is from Chengs. It is actually Wav in Balanis.

My original confusion is really about the units of the Beam solid angle, I just overlooked the denominator is the power density in steradians, so power divided by (power per steradian ) is simple steradian! It's just that simple.

Is Balanis a good book for antennas? I have both 2nd and 3th edition. I manage to download the solution manual for the second edition so I just bought the 2nd edition dirt cheap for $26! I also have Warren Stutzman and Kraus. Which one is the best for self study?

Thanks for your help.
 
yungman said:
You are right, my mistake from just pulling out of my head, I left out the Re[] part.
No. That's important also but you are still missing a key point. My integral is over surface area, yours over time.
yungman said:
The confusion is I use 3 books and they all have different names. Pav I use is from Chengs. It is actually Wav in Balanis.
Try sticking with one book then. Wav is Balanis's notation for the time-averaged Poynting vector. You must integrate this over area to get the power Pav through a surface.
yungman said:
My original confusion is really about the units of the Beam solid angle, I just overlooked the denominator is the power density in steradians, so power divided by (power per steradian ) is simple steradian! It's just that simple.
I still suggest that you carefully look at and master the concepts of power density, Poynting vector, and power, as well as the relations between them.
yungman said:
Is Balanis a good book for antennas? I have both 2nd and 3th edition. I manage to download the solution manual for the second edition so I just bought the 2nd edition dirt cheap for $26! I also have Warren Stutzman and Kraus. Which one is the best for self study?

Thanks for your help.
I own a copy of Balanis and think it is good. I once flipped through Kraus and thought it looked good, too. I've had no exposure to Stutzman.
 
marcusl said:
No. That's important also but you are still missing a key point. My integral is over surface area, yours over time.

Try sticking with one book then. Wav is Balanis's notation for the time-averaged Poynting vector. You must integrate this over area to get the power Pav through a surface.
I still suggest that you carefully look at and master the concepts of power density, Poynting vector, and power, as well as the relations between them.

I own a copy of Balanis and think it is good. I once flipped through Kraus and thought it looked good, too. I've had no exposure to Stutzman.

I really stop and look it up. What I mean you are right is the 1/2Re[], when I use Pav, it meant the time integrate which is the Wav in Balanis, not the spatial integration with dS.

I think it's useful to read more than one book because they do present the subject a little different, and they are good in different topics. And some do make mistake.
 
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yungman said:
when I use Pav, it meant the time integrate which is the Wav in Balanis, not the spatial integration with dS.
Ok, that makes your equations correct.
No argument either on the use of multiple books, since a different perspective is sometimes very helpful.
 
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marcusl said:
Ok, that makes your equations correct.
No argument either on the use of multiple books, since a different perspective is sometimes very helpful.

Actually I was still wrong

W_{av}= \frac 1 T \int_0^T \vec E \times \vec H \;d\;t \;\hbox { or }\;\tilde W_{av} = \frac 1 2 \Re e [\tilde E \times \tilde H^*]

Sometimes actually two books have different assumption and get different answer. Actually today I am verifying the current approximation on the linear dipole antenna of about \frac {\lambda}{2}, center fed at z=0 and one side towards +ve z and the other half towards -ve z. Ulaby use i(t)=I_0 \cos\beta z but both Cheng and Balanis use i(t)=I_0 sin [\beta(h-|z|)] \;\hbox { where the dipole length is } \; 2h\;.

The answer is the same at dipole length is \frac {\lambda} 2. But the calculation is different if not. I know the current is an approximation for linear dipole antenna, but still I would like to find out who is closer! I am a self studier, I don't have a professor as a fall back. Physics forum is my only source for answer.
 
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The current at the ends of the antenna must be zero. This is true for I=cos(beta*z) only when z is an odd multiple of lambda/4, while the other form is zero at the end of an antenna of any length h. The second may therefore be used for dipoles that are not lambda/2. Note that it is still only an approximation to the actual current.
 
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marcusl said:
The current at the ends of the antenna must be zero. This is true for I=cos(beta*z) only when z is an odd multiple of lambda/4, while the other form is zero at the end of an antenna of any length h. The second may therefore be used for dipoles that are not lambda/2. Note that it is still only an approximation to the actual current.

Yes, I know it is approximation.

I see, Ulaby is more of the introduction book and the formula is for \; \frac {\lambda} 2 \;. I was hoping the formula can work for other length but it is not. Well, at least I get to practice my calculus to work out the formula to compare the difference!

Thanks for the second help.

Alan
 

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