What is the Center of the Symmetric Group when n ≥ 3?

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The discussion revolves around the center of the symmetric group \( S_n \) for \( n \geq 3 \), specifically exploring the claim that the center consists only of the identity element. Participants are examining properties of permutations and their commutativity.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants are attempting to demonstrate that any permutation other than the identity does not commute with all other permutations in \( S_n \). They discuss using transpositions and cycle decompositions to find counterexamples to commutativity.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and hints to guide each other towards a proof. There is a focus on generalizing specific cases to cover all permutations, and some participants express uncertainty about certain hints and terminology.

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Participants are working under the assumption that \( n \) is at least 3, which is crucial for the properties being discussed regarding the symmetric group. There is also a mention of the need to consider various forms of permutations, including transpositions and cycles of different lengths.

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[SOLVED] Center of Symmetric Group

Homework Statement
Show that for n ≥ 3, Z(Sn) = {e} where e is the identity element/permutation.

The attempt at a solution
It is obvious that e is in Z(Sn). If there is another element a ≠ e in Z(Sn), then... There must be some sort of contradiction and it has to do with the fact that n ≥ 3 but I can't figure it out. Any tips?
 
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Can't you find two transpositions that don't commute?
 
I know that (12)(23) ≠ (23)(12). But how does this show that Z(Sn) is trivial?
 
You want to show that for any element g, except for e, there exists an element h such that gh!=hg. You've just done it if g is a transposition. I was thinking you could decompose g into disjoint cycles and construct an element that it doesn't commute with. It should work. Can you try it?
 
Dick said:
You want to show that for any element g, except for e, there exists an element h such that gh!=hg. You've just done it if g is a transposition.
I've only done it for a particular h and g. Not for every g.

I was thinking you could decompose g into disjoint cycles and construct an element that it doesn't commute with. It should work. Can you try it?
I'm thinking of the following: say the disjoint cycle decomposition of g is (ab...)(cd...). Let h = (ac). Then gh = (ad...) and hg = (ab...), which are not equal. Hmm...If this is to work in general, I will have to deal with the various ways in which g is decomposed.
 
You've done the case where g consists of a single transposition. Just generalize your point labelling. Now suppose g contains a cycle of three or more elements, say (123...). Hint: use only 1,2 and 3, that way your other permutation h will commute with all of the other cycles. That leaves only the case where g contains only transpositions, like (12)(34)... Can you find something that doesn't commute with that? Actually I think you are already on the right track. You don't need to know EVERYTHING about the cycle decomposition, you only need to know enough to i) find an h and ii) make sure your cases cover all permutations.
 
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Dick said:
You've done the case where g consists of a single transposition. Just generalize your point labelling.
What do you mean by "point labelling"?

Now suppose g contains a cycle of three or more elements, say (123...). Hint: use only 1,2 and 3, that way your other permutation h will commute with all of the other cycles.
I have no idea what you mean by that hint. Anyways, if g has a cycle (abc...) then by letting h = (bc), h will not commute with g since gh(b) = x where x is not b or c and hg(b) = b. Is that what you meant?

That leaves only the case where g contains only transpositions, like (12)(34)... Can you find something that doesn't commute with that?
This is similar to what I wrote in my previous post. h = (13) will not commute with g = (12)(34)...
 
By 'point labelling', I just mean do what you are doing, call the elements a,b,c... instead of 1,2,3... Not that it really matters. I think you are doing all the right things. Can you just pull them altogether into a proof?
 
OK. Let g ≠ e be an arbitrary permutation in Sn, n ≥ 3, in disjoint cycle form. Now either (i) g has a 2-cycle, i.e. g = (ab)..., or (ii) g has a m-cycle where m ≥ 3, i.e. g = (abc...)...

Let h = (bc), c ≠ a. Obviously h is in Sn. Given (i), gh(b) = g(c) ≠ a since only g(b) = a, and hg(b) = h(a) = a. Given (ii) gh(b) = g(c) = x where x is neither b nor c (since only g(a) = b and g(b) = c) and hg(b) = h(c) = c. In either case, gh ≠ hg. Since g is arbitrary, then for every g in Sn, n ≥ 3, there is a permutation h such that gh ≠ hg. Ergo, there can't be a permutation other than e that commutes with all the permutations in Sn and so Z(Sn) = {e}.

How is that?
 
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It looks fine. I might have stated it in a more awkward way with even more cases. But that's my problem.
 
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Thanks a lot Dick.
 

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