Center of Symmetric Groups n>= 3 is trivial

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The discussion revolves around the properties of symmetric groups, specifically showing that for symmetric groups Sn with n>=3, the only permutation that commutes with all others is the identity permutation, indicating that the center is trivial.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the idea of commutativity among permutations and consider the implications of conjugation in the context of symmetric groups. There is an attempt to demonstrate the existence of non-commuting permutations.

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Some participants have provided insights into the relationship between permutations and their conjugates, while others express uncertainty about the concept of conjugation. The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations being explored.

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There is mention of a lack of coverage on conjugation in the participants' studies, which may affect their understanding of the problem. The original poster's approach is noted as potentially sufficient without delving into conjugation.

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Homework Statement


The question is to show that the for symmetric groups, Sn with n>=3, the only permutation that is commutative is the identity permutation.

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I didn't know if it was necessary but this equates to saying the center is the trivial group.


The Attempt at a Solution


I was attempting to show that there will always exist a permutation that isn't commutative for a particular one, which I was figuring would be showing there can be permutations that move an element to different places so their compositions would be different.
 
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If u and v are permutations, then uv=vu is the same thing as uvu-1=v. So if v is in the center of Sn, then conjugating v by any other element doesn't change v. Do you know what the conjugates of an element of Sn look like?
 
No I do not, I don't think we have covered conjugation.
 
Metahominid said:
No I do not, I don't think we have covered conjugation.

You don't need it. Your first approach was fine. Sn contains a permutation cycle (x1,x2,x3) where x1,x2 and x3 are in {1,...n}. Write down a permutation that doesn't commute with it.
 

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