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The discussion revolves around finding the complementary solution for a second-order differential equation, specifically y" + 6y' + 9y = 1 + x. The original poster is confused about the presence of an additional factor of x in the complementary solution suggested by their professor.

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the complementary solution from the characteristic equation, noting repeated roots. They question why their professor's solution includes an additional factor of x.
  • Some participants provide reasoning about the necessity of the factor of x for repeated roots in the context of linear independence of solutions.
  • Others explore the general principle that applies to higher-order differential equations with repeated roots.

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Participants are actively discussing the nature of solutions to differential equations with repeated roots. Some guidance has been offered regarding the inclusion of the factor of x for linear independence, and the discussion is exploring the implications of this concept without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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The discussion includes references to the characteristic equation and the nature of solutions for second-order homogeneous differential equations. There is an emphasis on understanding the reasoning behind the solution forms rather than simply applying them.

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Homework Statement



y" + 6y' + 9y = 1+x





Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



r^2 + 6r + 9 = 0

(r +3)^2 = 0

r = -3

I thought the yc = c1e-3x + c2e-3x

buy my prof says yc = c1e-3x + c2xe-3x

why is the x in there?
 
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vande060 said:

Homework Statement



y" + 6y' + 9y = 1+x





Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



r^2 + 6r + 9 = 0

(r +3)^2 = 0

r = -3

I thought the yc = c1e-3x + c2e-3x

buy my prof says yc = c1e-3x + c2xe-3x

why is the x in there?
I agree with your prof. For a 2nd order, homogeneous differential equation, the solution space is two dimensional, which means that the complementary solution is all linear combinations of two linearly independent functions. Your complementary solutions is the same as (c1 + c2)e-3x = Ke-3x.

The characteristic equation for your homogeneous DE is r2 + 6r + 9 = 0, which has repeated roots of r = -3.

The usual trick to get two linearly independent functions when the roots are repeated is to tack a factor of x onto the function. This gives {e-3x, xe-3x} as your set of linearly independent function.

This idea can be extended to higher order DEs. For example, if the DE is y''' + 6y'' + 12y' + 8y = 0, the characteristic equation is r3 + 6r2 + 12r + 8 = 0, and this can be factored to (r + 2)3 = 0. Here the root r = -2 occurs three times.

A set of linearly independent functions is {e-2x, xe-2x, x2e-2x}.
 
so whenever I have repeated roots I just have to add on the factor of x?
 
Mark44 said:
Yes.

you saved me again, thanks
 
And it is easy to see why this works. If you call your differential equation L(y)=0 then, as you know

L(erx)=p(r)erx, which just says when you substitute erx into the DE, you get the characteristic polynomila p(r) times erx.

Look what happens if you differentiate this equation with respect to r (not x!), using the fact that differentiation with respect to r and x commute:

L(xerx)= p'(r)erx+ p(r)xerx

If r is a double root of the characteristic polynomial, both p(r) and p'(r) are zero, giving 0 on the right side. This says xerx is a solution to the DE.
 

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