What is the concept of work in physical science?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of work in physical science, particularly focusing on its definition, measurement, and underlying principles. Participants explore the relationship between force, distance, and energy, and how these concepts are applied in physics.

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  • Exploratory
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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses frustration with the definition of work as "force times distance" and seeks a deeper understanding of what this means.
  • Another participant explains that work is measured in joules, which relates to energy, but does not clarify the concept itself.
  • A participant attempts to clarify the concept by discussing energy as a descriptor of an object's ability to cause change, linking it to the formula for work.
  • There is a discussion about the importance of units in understanding work, with one participant breaking down the units of force and distance.
  • Some participants argue that work is specifically related to energy added to an object by a force causing it to move a distance, distinguishing it from force applied without movement.
  • There is mention of impulse as a related concept, with one participant noting that force times time is useful in physics but serves a different purpose than work.
  • One participant highlights that applying force without movement does not result in energy expenditure, using examples of sitting and sleeping to illustrate this point.
  • Another participant discusses the relationship between impulse and momentum, noting that while impulse can occur without work being done, work requires movement.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the definition and implications of work, with no clear consensus reached. Some agree on the mathematical relationship of work, while others seek further clarification on its conceptual meaning.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding the definitions and relationships between concepts like work, energy, and impulse, indicating a need for further exploration of these ideas.

  • #31
Redbelly98 said:
Yes.
While zero net work is done on the object, different muscles are all doing work, so you will get tired. The sum of the work done by all the muscles involved is still zero.
I'll concede this point, based on rcgldr's and Russ's posts.
 
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  • #32
"just put it this way, just imagine when you are holding an object while you are walking that object experiences a lot of external forces acting on it and the sum of those forces or what we call the net force would be zero because the forces that are acting on it are like strings that holds up that object just like a puppet where in if you view it as a particle [spherical in shape] all the forces are well distributed in all parts of the surface area of that object. from the study of vectors, taking the sum of them all [all the vectors] would eventually result to zero."

-R. Laride
 
  • #33
Redbelly98 said:
The short answer I tell people is: doing work on an object is how we change it's kinetic energy.

Here I am talking about the total (or net) work done by the net force acting on an object. As long as the object moves while a nonzero net force acts on it, it will either speed up or slow down (have a change in its kinetic energy).

We can also talk about the work done by individual forces, even if the net force does zero work.

only oin few cases we change ke... in cases where we take even the 2-d and 3-d (rarely) in consideration, then , even the p.e changes.. and the change is represented as a func of displacement (s) or instantaneous time (t) or variable force [F(t)] etc. also momentum changes.. obviously..
 

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