What is the connection between simple harmonic motion and pendulum motion?

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The original poster seeks to understand the connection between simple harmonic motion (SHM) and pendulum motion, presenting equations for both types of motion. They express uncertainty regarding the role of conservation of momentum in this context.

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  • Participants suggest comparing the equations of motion for SHM and pendulum motion, exploring the characteristics that define pendulum motion as simple harmonic. There is discussion about the nature of the restoring force and its role in SHM.

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Participants are actively engaging with the concepts, with some offering guidance on the relationship between SHM and pendulum motion. There is recognition of the complexity of the restoring force in pendulum motion, and the discussion is exploring various interpretations of the connection.

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There is an emphasis on the conditions under which pendulum motion approximates SHM, indicating that certain assumptions may be under consideration.

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Homework Statement



What is the connection between simple harmonic motion and pendulum motion?


Homework Equations



Harmonic motion period=T=2piroot(m/k)
Pendulum motion period=T=2piroot(L/g)

The Attempt at a Solution



Conservation of momentum??

Thanks for any help!
 
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I strongly suggest reading the Wikipedia article on simple harmonic motion.
Consider comparing the equation of motion for the general SHM and the pendulum, that is the formula relating angle or displacement to time.
 
Delphi51 said:
I strongly suggest reading the Wikipedia article on simple harmonic motion.
Consider comparing the equation of motion for the general SHM and the pendulum, that is the formula relating angle or displacement to time.

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. This is what I came up with:

A pendulum oscillates in a simple harmonic motion like that of an oscillating spring. The angle θ in pendulum motion is relative to the distance x that a spring is stretched by a mass (m) and a gravity (g).
 
Pretty good. But isn't SHM a general concept of which the pendulum, spring, water waves, radio waves, etc. are all specific examples? For the word "connection" in the question, I would look for what makes the pendulum simple harmonic, both from the motion characteristics and the nature of the force that causes the motion.
 
Delphi51 said:
Pretty good. But isn't SHM a general concept of which the pendulum, spring, water waves, radio waves, etc. are all specific examples? For the word "connection" in the question, I would look for what makes the pendulum simple harmonic, both from the motion characteristics and the nature of the force that causes the motion.

Hmmm...a restoring force in the opposite direction of displacement is what makes it a SHM, right? and in the case of the pendulum mg is the restoring force?
 
The restoring force has to have a specific formula. . .
Yes, mg is the driving force, but it isn't in the right direction, is it? The pendulum restoring force is a little bit complex, and when you get into the details it is only approximately the right formula, so the pendulum only has nearly SHM when a particular condition is met. No doubt you can look up all that if you want to give a great answer.
 
Thanks for the help Delphi!
 
Most welcome!
 

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