What is the current status of susy and string theory?

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The discussion centers on the current status of supersymmetry (SUSY) and string theory, particularly in relation to experiments conducted at the Large Hadron Collider (LHC). Participants explore the implications of LHC findings (or lack thereof) on the viability of these theoretical frameworks, touching on both theoretical advantages of SUSY and the potential for string theory to be tested in future experiments.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the LHC tests for supersymmetry but have not found any supersymmetric particles, leading to improved exclusion limits for SUSY models.
  • Others argue that while the LHC can potentially confirm supersymmetry if it exists, it cannot disprove all models of SUSY, only specific ones.
  • There is discussion about the theoretical advantages of SUSY, such as reducing fine-tuning of the Higgs mass and providing candidates for dark matter, which may diminish if SUSY particles are found to be at high mass scales.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the value of learning about supersymmetry and supergravity if the LHC does not find evidence for SUSY in the near future.
  • Concerns are raised about how electron EDM measurements might influence expectations for SUSY detection at the LHC.
  • There is mention of the potential for the next run of the LHC to explore lower limits of predictions made by string theory, particularly regarding micro black holes and extra dimensions.
  • Some participants clarify that testing string theory models depends on the specific characteristics of those models, including the size of extra dimensions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the implications of LHC results for SUSY and string theory, indicating that there is no consensus on the future of these theories or their relevance based on current experimental outcomes.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on specific SUSY parameters and the varying expectations regarding CP violation, which affect interpretations of experimental results. Additionally, the discussion acknowledges that not all models of string theory can be tested with current or future LHC runs.

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I heard that the LHC was supposed to do some testing on supersymmetry but i didn't hear anything from them and is string theory still possible or not.
 
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String theory is out of the energy reach of the LHC.
It does test supersymmetry. So far, no supersymmetric particles have been found (it would be impossible to miss that), so the exclusion limits were improved. We now know better where supersymmetry is not.
 
@mfb but does the LHC can confirm or disprove supersymmetry?
 
It has a chance to confirm it, if supersymmetry exists and if the scale is not too high.

It can disprove specific models and parameter ranges, but not all possible models of supersymmetry everywhere. On the other hand, if the LHC does not find supersymmetry, many of the theoretical advantages of supersymmetry go away. It loses significant motivation then.
 
What are the theoretical advantages and what is the 'significant motivation'?
I wonder if it's to my interest to learn supersymmetry and supergravity, obvoiously as a mathematical theory there's no harm in learning it, but from the physical ground, if the LHC doesn't find supersymmetry is it still worthwhile to learn?
 
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if the LHC doesn't find supersymmetry is it still worthwhile to learn?
Depends on who you ask. There is still a lot of interest in it, but if we don't find something in the next 5 years more and more groups will look for other things I guess.

Precision experiments at lower energy can extend the searches beyond the energy reach of the LHC for some models.

Supersymmetry with particle masses of the order of 1 TeV reduces the required fine-tuning of the Higgs mass and makes a unification of the strong interaction with the electroweak interaction more plausible. It also offers a natural candidate for dark matter. All those arguments get weaker if the particle masses are around 10 TeV or even higher.
 
is it true electron EDM measurements means LHC most likely will not see SUSY?
 
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Jester covered it. "Most likely" depends on your prior expectation for SUSY parameters. In particular, if you don't expect large CP violation, it does not exclude anything.
 
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mfb said:
Jester covered it. "Most likely" depends on your prior expectation for SUSY parameters. In particular, if you don't expect large CP violation, it does not exclude anything.

ok i'll read it.

if LHC doesn't find any SUSY how will that affect string theory research and LQG?
 
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I was under the impression that the next run of LHC was about to delve into some of the lower limits of predictions made by string theory? I've heard that the next run is above the lower energy limits of creating a micro black hole depending on the number of dimensions?
 
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For some models with tiny extradimensions, it can be possible to test them. For others, it is not. That was true in run 1 as well.
That does not exclude string theory, the extra dimensions could be too small, or the interactions could behave differently in those extra dimensions.
 

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