What is the degree of maximum g-force in a car's turn?

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The discussion centers on the transition of a car from zero cornering force to maximum cornering force during a turn, specifically focusing on how many degrees into a 180-degree turn this transition occurs at a constant velocity and radius, with an emphasis on achieving a maximum cornering force of 1g.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the degree into a turn at which a car reaches maximum cornering force, assuming a constant velocity and radius.
  • Another participant states that if the maximum cornering force is 1g, it corresponds to a centripetal acceleration of 9.8 m/s², and discusses the implications of constant radius and velocity on the centripetal acceleration formula.
  • A different participant suggests that the transition time to maximum cornering acceleration is influenced by the stiffness of the suspension and tires, estimating it to be less than 1 second for a race car, and recommends using slow-motion video with telemetry data for more accurate measurements.

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Participants express varying viewpoints on the factors affecting the transition to maximum cornering force, with no consensus reached on the exact degree into the turn or the specific dynamics involved.

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The discussion does not resolve the dependencies on vehicle dynamics, suspension characteristics, or the specific conditions of the turn, leaving these aspects open for further exploration.

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I am interested in a car's transition from zero cornering force (just before entering a corner) to maximum cornering force (somewhere in the corner). In particular, I would like to know how far into the corner it takes (in degrees) for this transition to happen.

Assume a car is capable of making a 180 degree turn at a certain constant velocity and radius at 1g. The car is going down a long straight at this same constant velocity (not accelerating or braking) and then enters said turn. How many degrees into the turn will the car go before it gets to it's 1g cornering maximum?

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If the max cornering force is 1g, then it can handle a cent. accel of 9.8m/s^2. (assuming its a flat track)

a=v^2/R , so 9.8=v^2/R which are both constant, and have to be since you said a constant R and V.

If R or V were not constant, I could give you a force as a function of angle in the turn. But driving in a circle at a constant speed gives a constant centripetal acceleration, and so unless V or R are variables of the angle, there is no solution.

If you're thinking of nascar or something, they try to corner in such a way that it minimizes time - a balance of speed and path length.
I believe they are at the maximum force when their speed is lowest in the turn.
 
Assuming the goal is to achieve maximum cornering acceleration as soon as possible (versus best racing line through a turn), the transition time mostly depends on how stiff the suspension and tires are. It's probably less than 1 second for a race car, but if you need a more accurate time, you'd probably need to watch a slow motion video of a race car that includes telemetry data, at least elapsed time and lateral acceleration.
 
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