What is the Derivation of Work in Classical Dynamics?

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of work in the context of classical dynamics, specifically referencing Thornton's work. Participants are examining the mathematical steps involved in transitioning between different forms of the equation related to force and velocity.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants express confusion regarding the mathematical reasoning behind the transition from one equality to another in the derivation. Some question the validity of using differentials in the context of vector quantities and the implications of defining terms like "v^2" for vectors.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the mathematical principles involved, with some participants seeking clarification on the use of differentials and vector notation. While some understanding has been reached by individuals, there is no explicit consensus on the derivation steps.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of vector calculus and its application in classical dynamics, with references to external resources for further clarification. The discussion highlights the need for precise definitions when dealing with vector quantities.

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I'm working through a derivation for work in Thornton's Classical Dynamics but I'm stuck at one step.
\begin{align}<br /> \vec{F} \cdot d\vec{r} &amp;= m\frac{d\vec{v}}{dt} \cdot \frac{d\vec{r}}{dt}dt = m\frac{d\vec{v}}{dt} \cdot \vec{v}dt \\ &amp;= \frac{m}{2}\frac{d}{dt}(\vec{v}\cdot \vec{v})dt \end{align}

I'm having trouble getting from the last equality on the first line to the second line.

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I don't know what the mathematical reasoning is.
 
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I don't get it too. Might be a mistake.
 
sloane729 said:
Okay I understand now from here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_energy#Derivation
But I've never seen differentials like d(\vec{v}\cdot\vec{v}) before. Why am I not allowed to say d(\vec{v}\cdot\vec{v}) = dv^2?
You can't say that because you haven't defined "v^2". Since v is a vector, what you really mean is \vec{v}\cdot\vec{v}= ||\vec{v}||^2.
But, the basic idea is correct:
\frac{d(\vec{v}\cdot\vec{v})}{dt}= 2\vec{v}\cdot\frac{d\vec{v}}{dt}
 

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