What is the derivative of a function raised to another function?

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The problem involves finding the derivative of a function defined as \( y = (3x^2 + 2x + 5)^{8x^3 + 2x^2 + 4} \), where both the base and the exponent are functions of \( x \). The discussion centers around the application of differentiation rules, particularly in the context of functions raised to other functions.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the differentiation of the function using various approaches, including the application of logarithmic differentiation and the chain rule. Some question the validity of using the power rule when the exponent is not a constant.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing different methods for approaching the derivative. Some have offered guidance on using logarithmic differentiation, while others have pointed out potential errors in notation. There is no explicit consensus on a single method, but multiple interpretations and approaches are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of the problem due to the functions involved in both the base and the exponent, which may lead to confusion regarding the application of standard differentiation rules.

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Homework Statement



y'=((3x^2+2x+5)^{8x^3+2x^2 +4})'=?

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((3x^2+2x+5)^{8x^3+2x^2 +4})'=(8x^3+2x^2+4)(3x^2+2x+5)^{8x^3+2x^2 +4-1}(24x^2+4x)(6x+2)
 
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The power rule only holds when the exponent is a constant (not a function of x).
 
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The function f(x)=g(x)^{h(x)} can be written

f(x)=e^{\ln g(x)^{h(x)}}=e^{h(x)\,\ln g(x)}

Now you can take the derivative, i.e.

f'(x)=e^{h(x)\,\ln g(x)}\left(h(x)\,\ln g(x)\right)'\Rightarrow f'(x)=f(x)\left(h(x)\,\ln g(x)\right)'
 
((3x^2+2x+5)^{8x^3+2x^2 +4})'=(3x^2+2x+5)^{8x^3+2x^2 +4}((24x^2+4x)\ln(3x^2+2x+5)+(8x^3+2x^2 +4)\frac{6x+2}{3x^2+2x+5})
 
You missed a parethensis after (3x^2+2x+5)^{8x^3+2x^2 +4}, but you are correct :smile:
 
Rainbow Child said:
The function f(x)=g(x)^{h(x)} can be written

f(x)=e^{\ln g(x)^{h(x)}}=e^{h(x)\,\ln g(x)}

Now you can take the derivative, i.e.

f'(x)=e^{h(x)\,\ln g(x)}\left(h(x)\,\ln g(x)\right)'\Rightarrow f'(x)=f(x)\left(h(x)\,\ln g(x)\right)'

Or, much the same thing, write ln(f(x))= h(x)ln(g(x)) and use the product and chain rules: (1/f)f '= h'(x) ln(g(x))+ (h(x)/g(x)) g'(x) so f '= [h'(x) ln(g(x)+(h(x)/g(x))g'(x)]f(x).
 

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