What is the difference between additive and multiplicative renormalisations?

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The discussion revolves around the differences between additive and multiplicative renormalisations in the context of quantum field theory, particularly in relation to fermion masses and chiral symmetry. Participants explore theoretical implications and examples, including references to specific papers and concepts in lattice QCD.

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  • Some participants suggest that multiplicative renormalization involves counterterms proportional to a power of the coupling, while additive renormalization involves counterterms independent of the coupling.
  • A participant humorously describes the difference in how physicists gesture when discussing additive versus multiplicative renormalization, referencing Richard Feynman's and Roger Penrose's perspectives on the topic.
  • One participant notes that in lattice QCD, the quark mass experiences both types of renormalisation due to the breaking of chiral symmetry by the Wilson term.
  • Another participant elaborates that normally fermions are multiplicatively renormalized, but due to explicit chiral symmetry breaking on the lattice, additional terms can arise that are not proportional to the mass.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of additive and multiplicative renormalisations, particularly in the context of chiral symmetry and lattice QCD. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the interpretations or implications of these concepts.

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Some assumptions about the definitions of renormalisation types and their implications in specific contexts, such as lattice QCD, remain unresolved. The discussion also touches on the philosophical aspects of renormalization without reaching definitive conclusions.

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Some papers I am looking over at the moment mention both additive and multiplicative renormalisations. What is the difference between them?
 
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i guess you should provide a specific reference, but here's a guess.

multiplicative renormalization of a coupling [itex]g[/itex] has a counterterm of the form:

[tex]\delta g= g^af(\lambda_i)[/tex]

for some power [itex]a[/itex], while additive renormalization would be

[tex]\delta g= h(\lambda_i)[/tex]

Here [itex]\lambda_i[/itex] are all the other couplings in the theory. To be general, I include masses as couplings.

An example of the first kind is a fermion mass, while the second kind would be a scalar mass (assuming no SUSY).
 
In additive renormalization, physicsts wave their hands horizontally; in multiplicative renormalizations, physicsts wave their hands vertically.

Actually Richard Feynman had the funniest description, relating to "hokus pocus" ... Roger Penrose mentions in his massive THE ROAD TO REALITY on page 674:

...so it seems we are still stuck with a divergent expression for the total amplitude of any genuinely quantum process...from a strict matehmatical viewpoint we have got officially "nowhere in the sense that all our expressions are still "mathematically meaningless"...yet good physicsts will not give up so easily...and they were right not to do so...whatever philosophical position is taken...renormalization is an essential feature..of modern QFT...very few theories pass the test of renormalizability and only those that do pass have a chance of being regarded as acceptable for physics...

Wikipedia has quite a discussion at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renormalization#Renormalizability
 
The context in which I came across the terms is the following:

It is a paper on lattice QCD. It first discusses how the Wilson term can be added to the fermion part of the Lagrangian to avoid the fermion doubling problem. It then says that this breaks chiral symmetry since the extra term looks like a mass term. It then says

"The quark mass has both multiplicative and additive renormalisations due to the explicit breaking of chiral symmetry by the wilson term"
 
Bobhawke said:
"The quark mass has both multiplicative and additive renormalisations due to the explicit breaking of chiral symmetry by the wilson term"

This should be interpreted precisely as I said in my last post.

Normally fermions are "multiplicatively renormalized" since any fermion mass corrections must be proportional to the mass itself by chiral symmetry. However, since chiral symmetry is explicitly broken on the lattice by removing the fermion tastes, you can now get a term that is NOT proportional to the mass, but proportional to [itex]a^{-1}[/itex]. If we were to take this seriously, we would say that there is a "hierarchy problem" here, just like the Higgs in the standard model; but there really isn't since the whole fermion taste/Wilson term is an artifact of our lattice description and not really there.
 
Thanks Blechman!
 

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