What is the difference between eddy current and induced current?

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The discussion revolves around the differences between eddy currents and induced currents, their implications for energy loss, and related concepts such as back emf and self-induction in electrical motors. Participants explore theoretical and practical aspects of these phenomena, including their roles in energy transformation and motor operation.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the distinction between eddy currents and induced currents, with one noting that eddy currents are induced in the iron core due to alternating current in the windings.
  • It is proposed that eddy currents cause energy loss by generating heat, while induced currents can be useful for powering devices.
  • Participants discuss the difference between back emf and induced emf, with one stating that induced emf typically refers to a separate circuit, while back emf opposes the applied emf in the same coil.
  • There is a query about whether self-induction or back emf causes eddy currents, with a response indicating that eddy currents arise from the electric field created by alternating current in the coil.
  • Concerns are raised about why coils with empty cores are not used if eddy currents lead to energy loss, suggesting that iron cores enhance magnetic fields.
  • Inrush current is discussed, with one participant explaining that it is limited by inductive reactance and increases as the motor spins.
  • Some participants express confusion about the relationship between energy consumed by back emf and energy transformed from electrical to mechanical states.
  • There is a request for clarification on how eddy current brakes function, indicating a desire for simpler explanations or visual aids.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the roles and implications of eddy currents, induced currents, and back emf, with no consensus reached on several questions, particularly regarding energy loss and the mechanics of motor operation.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions involve complex relationships and dependencies, such as the effects of load on motor power consumption and the mathematical relationships governing inductance and energy transformation, which remain unresolved.

  • #31


anybody?

1-this is what is written in my book:
E= Ir+E' where E' is the back emf, r and E' are constants
P(mechanical)=E'*I
an electrical motor functions only if the generator connected across its terminals delivers a positive potential difference that exceeds its back emf.
So my question is, why are they regarding the back emf as constant quantity that characterizes each motor though the current across the motor is not always constant?

2-"in case we connected a pure inductor(coil) to AC generator, during a part of the cycle, energy is actually transferred from the inductor (load) back into the voltage source. we get a net power dissipation of zero."
how could energy be transferred to a generator??
in this case, a current is traversing the circuit without dissipating energy, will the current traversing the coil in this situation has a very large intensity as the case of a short circuit?

3-is there any proof why the average power equals cosine the phase angle (Φ) between voltage and current(case of sinusoidal voltage)?

4-does the back emf in motors have sinusoidal form?

5-P(mechanical)=E'*I where E' is the back emf
is this formula of mechanical power converted by the motor right??

6-does the electrical energy converted to mechanical energy by the motor increase when the motor is loaded? will the intensity of the traversing current increase?

7-in case a motor is loaded, will the mechanical power converted by the motor be smaller although the intensity of current has increased??
since P(mechanical)=E'*I where E' is the back emf, E' decreases when the motor is loaded?

8-what causes Inrush current drawn by an electrical device when first turned on in case we are supplying the device AC current?

9-why does the capacitor gets the same voltage of the generator after it is disconnected?

10-i have understood how a capacitor stores charge, but my question is how does capacitor stores energy? is storing charge the same as storing energy?
 
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  • #32


does a magnet consumes its stored energy when used in a motor on in a generator? if no why?

also why a magnet looses its magnetism when heated??
 
  • #33


how can we do work and consume the magnetic energy stored in a magnet?
 

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