What Is the Dimension of Subspaces U and W in a Vector Space V?

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The discussion revolves around determining the dimensions of subspaces U and W within the vector space V, specifically R^4, based on given vectors. The original poster presents vectors that span U and W and seeks to compute their dimensions as well as the dimension of their intersection.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to assess the dimension of U based on the linear independence of the spanning vectors a and b, while expressing confusion about the correct dimension. They also raise a question about the necessity of proving linear independence for the intersection U ∩ W. Other participants inquire about the definition of a basis and clarify the implications of linear independence in this context.

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The discussion is active, with participants exploring definitions and clarifying concepts related to basis and dimension. Some participants have acknowledged errors in their reasoning, indicating a productive exchange of ideas, though no consensus has been reached on the dimensions yet.

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Participants are navigating definitions and properties of vector spaces and linear independence, which may influence their understanding of the problem. The original poster's confusion about dimensions reflects a common challenge in distinguishing between the number of vectors and their linear independence.

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Homework Statement


[tex]V=R^{4}\ and\ a^{\rightarrow}, b^{\rightarrow}, c^{\rightarrow}, d^{\rightarrow}, e^{\rightarrow} \in V.[/tex]

(I'll drop the vector signs for easier typing...)

[tex]a = (2,0,3,0), b = (2,1,0,0), c = (-2,0,3,0), d = (1,1,-2,-2), e = (3,1,-5,-2)[/tex]

[tex]Let\ U \subseteq V be\ spanned\ by\ a\ and\ b.\ Let\ W \subseteq V\ be\ spanned\ by\ c,d,e[/tex]

[tex]Compute\ dim_{F}U, dim_{F}W, dim_{F}(U \cap W)[/tex]


2. The attempt at a solution

I guess start with the dimension. We know the vectors a and b span U and by inspection they are linearly independent. Now I'm confused, is the dimension 3 or 4? I think 4 because the vectors have four 'slots' but I also think 3 since the last 'slot' is zero for both.

Also, for [tex]U \cap W[/tex] I would have to prove that a,b,c,d,e are linearly independent before I can find the dimension, no?
 
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What is the definition of basis?
 
For dim U, the answer is neither 3 nor 4. You have two vectors that span U and are linearly independent. As rochfor1 asked, what is the definition of a basis?
 
Yeah, I just realized my error, so for V and W it would be 2 (since c=d+e)
 

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