What Is the Discriminant in the Schwarz Inequality Proof?

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The discussion revolves around the application of the Schwarz inequality in the context of a quadratic equation derived from an inner product expression involving complex coefficients. Participants are examining the conditions under which the discriminant of this quadratic must be non-negative.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the setup of the quadratic equation and the implications of its discriminant being non-negative. Questions arise regarding the validity of the inequality derived from manipulating the equation and whether the results hold for all values of the parameter lambda.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of the quadratic form and the specific value of lambda suggested by one participant. Some participants express uncertainty about the general applicability of the findings to all values of lambda, indicating a productive dialogue without a clear consensus.

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Participants note the importance of the equation format and the need for clarity in mathematical expressions, which may affect the understanding of the problem. There is also mention of the relevance of specific values of lambda in the context of the discussion.

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(\langle \alpha | + \lambda^\ast\langle \beta |)(|\alpha\rangle+ \lambda|\beta\rangle) = \langle \alpha |\alpha \rangle + |\lambda|^2\langle \beta | \beta \rangle + \lambda \langle \alpha | \beta \rangle + \lambda^\ast \langle \beta | \alpha \rangle \geq 0<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <h2>The Attempt at a Solution</h2><br /> This equation is the setup, and it leads to an equation that I can see is quadratic in lambda. From this, I calculate the discriminant, which must be greater than or equal to zero because all the terms are real and positive. However, when I manipulate this to get to the Schwarz inequality, I get a "less than or equal to" where I should have a "greater than or equal to". Can someone please help? Thanks.<br />
 
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Homework Statement


Homework Equations


(\langle \alpha | + \lambda^\ast\langle \beta |)(|\alpha\rangle+ \lambda|\beta\rangle) = \langle \alpha |\alpha \rangle + |\lambda|^2\langle \beta | \beta \rangle + \lambda \langle \alpha | \beta \rangle + \lambda^\ast \langle \beta | \alpha \rangle \geq 0

The Attempt at a Solution


This equation is the setup, and it leads to an equation that I can see is quadratic in lambda. From this, I calculate the discriminant, which must be greater than or equal to zero because all the terms are real and positive. However, when I manipulate this to get to the Schwarz inequality, I get a "less than or equal to" where I should have a "greater than or equal to". Can someone please help? Thanks.

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The Attempt at a Solution


Use tex and /tex for the tex delimiters instead of latex and latex. And you don't want to solve a quadratic. Just put in the special value lambda=-<beta|alpha>/<beta|beta>.
 
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Thanks, and sorry about the equation format; I'm still trying to figure out the MathType translator.

Anyway, I understand how it works for the value of lambda you gave, but shouldn't it work for ANY value of lambda?
 
Old Guy said:
Thanks, and sorry about the equation format; I'm still trying to figure out the MathType translator.

Anyway, I understand how it works for the value of lambda you gave, but shouldn't it work for ANY value of lambda?

It works for any lambda, but it doesn't tell you anything very interesting for every lambda. E.g. lambda=0 isn't interesting at all.
 

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