What is the Distance Between Two Points with a Phase Difference of 45 Degrees?

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The discussion revolves around finding the distance between two points on a wave described by the equation y = 0.001 cos (7.5x + 15t) that have a phase difference of 45 degrees at the same instant in time. The subject area includes wave mechanics and phase relationships.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the relationship between wavelength and phase difference, noting that a full wavelength corresponds to a phase of 2π, and that a phase difference of 45 degrees corresponds to 1/8 of a wavelength. Some participants discuss the calculation of wavelength using the given wavenumber.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the problem with participants sharing their reasoning and calculations. Some participants express confidence in their approach, while others seek clarification on units and graphing methods. Guidance has been offered regarding the exclusion of time dependency for graphing purposes.

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Participants mention the assumption of SI units and the lack of explicit unit specifications in the problem statement. There is also a consideration of whether to use mks or cgs units.

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Homework Statement


For the given wave on a string:
y = 0.001 cos (7.5x + 15t)

find the distance between two points which have a phase difference of 45 degrees at the same instant in time.


The Attempt at a Solution


No idea how to solve this. Please help.
 
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Lavabug said:

Homework Statement


For the given wave on a string:
y = 0.001 cos (7.5x + 15t)

find the distance between two points which have a phase difference of 45 degrees at the same instant in time.


The Attempt at a Solution


No idea how to solve this. Please help.

What is the wavelength of that function?
 
I think I'm on to something:

The phase between the start and the end of a full wavelength is 2pi (full cycle).
For half a wavelength that's pi
For a quarter wavelength that's pi/2 or 90 degrees, ie: the phase between maxes and mins.
For an 1/8 of a wavelength the phase is pi/4, or 45 degrees.

The problem gives me the wavenumber so I can find the wavelength: 2pi/7.5 = lambda

So I think I can draw the following similarity:

lambda is to 2pi as
lambda/8 is to pi/4 ?

So the distance between points that represent a phase of 45 degrees is 1/8 of a wavelength?
 
Lavabug said:
I think I'm on to something:

The phase between the start and the end of a full wavelength is 2pi (full cycle).
For half a wavelength that's pi
For a quarter wavelength that's pi/2 or 90 degrees, ie: the phase between maxes and mins.
For an 1/8 of a wavelength the phase is pi/4, or 45 degrees.

The problem gives me the wavenumber so I can find the wavelength: 2pi/7.5 = lambda

So I think I can draw the following similarity:

lambda is to 2pi as
lambda/8 is to pi/4 ?

So the distance between points that represent a phase of 45 degrees is 1/8 of a wavelength?

Looks good so far. Now what is the length of a wavelength for the equation that you are given. Assume mks units, even though they are not stating them explicitly...
 
Or I suppose it could be cgs units. Do they show units in any other similar problems?
 
I'm pretty sure the units are just SI. I got my wavelength from the given wavenumber(7.5): lambda = 2pi/7.5 (don't have a calculator on hand lol).

The distance between points with 45 degree would be an eighth of that quantity.

So my idea is correct?
 
Lavabug said:
I'm pretty sure the units are just SI. I got my wavelength from the given wavenumber(7.5): lambda = 2pi/7.5 (don't have a calculator on hand lol).

The distance between points with 45 degree would be an eighth of that quantity.

So my idea is correct?

Seems like the correct approach.

You could also graph the function either with a graphing calculator or just Excel, to have a sanity check on your answer...
 
How would I graph it? Can I exclude the time dependency (angfreq*t) and just plot .001cos(kx)?
 
Lavabug said:
How would I graph it? Can I exclude the time dependency (angfreq*t) and just plot .001cos(kx)?

Yes, the problem says "at the same instant in time", so you can set t=0 arbitrarily.
 
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I tried plotting it with an interval from 0 to half of my given wavelength(pi/7.5) and got this:

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=.001cos(7.5x)++x+from+0+to+pi/7.5

Which shows a 180 degree phase difference

Plotting half that interval (pi/15) shows a 90 degree phase difference:
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=.001cos(7.5x)++x+from+0+to+pi/15

aaand with half of that I've got (pi/30), which looks like:
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=.001cos(7.5x)++x+from+0+to+pi/30

I'm fairly convinced that pi/30 is the distance I'm looking for. Thanks!
 

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