What is the enthalpy of what at 5 bars?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the enthalpy at 5 bars, specifically in the context of a pre-heater and boiler system. Participants are seeking clarification on the parameters needed for the calculation, including temperatures and flow rates.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about how to start the calculation for their assignment.
  • Another participant asks whether the calculation is for the pre-heater, the boiler, or both, indicating a need for clarity on the scope of the problem.
  • A participant assumes that the question pertains only to the outlet temperature from the pre-heater, though they acknowledge the ambiguity in the question.
  • Questions are raised regarding the flue gas temperature from the boiler and the mass flow rates of water and flue gas, suggesting these parameters are critical for the calculation.
  • A participant provides a flue gas temperature of 300° C, a flow rate of 1400 kmol h-1, and an enthalpy value of 2018 kJ/kg, but notes that the information is not entirely clear.
  • Another participant seeks confirmation on what exactly has an enthalpy of 2018 kJ/kg and asks for the water flow rate, indicating a need for more complete information.

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Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the specifics of the problem statement or the necessary parameters for the enthalpy calculation. Multiple viewpoints and uncertainties remain regarding the details needed for the calculation.

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The discussion highlights missing assumptions about the problem statement, the dependence on specific definitions of flow rates and temperatures, and unresolved details regarding the system being analyzed.

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Homework Statement
If the flue gases exiting the boiler are used to preheat the water fed to the boiler from a temperature of 28 C to 90 C and assuming:
• a mean specific heat capacity for water over this temperature range to be 4.2 kJ kg–1 K–1

a mean molar heat capacity for the flue gases up to 300°C to be 31 kJ kmol–1 K–1

10% of the heat required to heat the water is lost in the heat exchanger

all water entering the system is converted to steam

determine the final outlet temperature of the flue gas
Relevant Equations
Enthalpy at 5 bar = 2018kJ/kg

Flame temp= 1997°C

Heat in =(sensible heat in fuel and air + latent heat released by combustion)

Heat out=Σ(mass×mean specific heat capacity×Tf) for each of the products of combustion.
This is the final question on my assignment and I'm clueless as to where I should even start as the lesson seems to give no guidance. Help would be massively appreciated!
 
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Are you trying to do the calculation just for the pre-heater, for the combination of preheater and boiler, or for each of them separately?
 
If I'm correct, just the outlet temperature from the pre-heater. The question isn't particularly clear but that's my assumption!
 
Do you know the flue gas temperature coming out of the boiler? Do you know the mass flow rates of the water and the flue gas? or, Do you know the flue gas temperature going into the boiler?
 
I think the flue gas coming out of the boiler is 300° C but tha's not very clear, The flow rate of the flue gas = 1400 kmol h-1, Enthalpy at 5 bar = 2018kJ/kg, the heat capacity at 90°=4.208. As far as I can tell that's all I've got
 
The enthalpy of what at 5 bars is 2018 k/kg? Do you know the water flow rate?

What is the full exact problem statement?
 

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