What is the Force Required to Move a Crate on an Incline Plane with Friction?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the force required to initiate movement of a crate on an inclined plane, factoring in static friction. The problem involves a crate with a specified mass, a coefficient of static friction, and an angle of incline.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the forces acting on the crate, including weight, normal force, and friction. Questions arise regarding the logic behind the equations used and how to determine the force needed to overcome friction.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning the reasoning behind their calculations and the equations involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between the applied force, gravitational force, and frictional force, but there is no explicit consensus on the final approach or solution.

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There is mention of specific values such as the mass of the crate, the coefficient of friction, and the angle of incline, but the discussion also highlights uncertainties in the application of these values to reach a solution.

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Homework Statement



Find the force necessary to start the crate moving, given that the mass of the crate is 32 and the coefficient of static friction between the crate and the floor is 0.58. The angle is 21 degrees below horizontal.

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I don't really understand where to go from here, I've found out the answer but really don't understand why we use the equations we do. Would appreciate any help regarding the logic behind the methods!

My attempt:

Weight = 32kg x 9.81 = 313.9 Newtons
Normal Force = 313.9 cos(21) = 293 Newtons
The force parallel to the plane = 313.9(sin21) = 112.5N

The Force of Friction = 293 x .57 = 167N

Now this is pretty much the farthest I can get without understanding what I'm doing. I think I did the above steps right I'm not completely sure. Would appreciate any help.
 
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so the crate is sitting on some slope, but is not moving because the frictional force acting on it is greater than the force due to gravity pushing it down the slope (which is the weight parallel to the surface)

so right now Ffric > Fweight

let's say you apply some force F in the same direction as Fweight

how big would F need to be in order to make Fweight + F > Ffric?
 
SHISHKABOB said:
so the crate is sitting on some slope, but is not moving because the frictional force acting on it is greater than the force due to gravity pushing it down the slope (which is the weight parallel to the surface)

so right now Ffric > Fweight

let's say you apply some force F in the same direction as Fweight

how big would F need to be in order to make Fweight + F > Ffric?

I guess any number that you can add to make the force greater than the frictional force? So in our case the force parallel is is 112.5 and the Frictional force is 167. So we need an extra 54.5 Newtons to make the crate move.
 
pretty much
 
SHISHKABOB said:
pretty much

So how would that help us in getting the answer of 250 Newtons?

In the solution they put,

(.57) (313) / cos21 - .57sin21 = 250 Newtons

I don't really get how we end up there from what we have so far.
 

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