What is the fundamental frequency of standing longitudinal waves?

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The discussion revolves around determining the fundamental frequency of standing longitudinal waves and their comparison to standing transverse waves. Participants explore the properties of waves in strings and the implications of stretching a string on wave behavior.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Some participants express confusion regarding the nature of standing longitudinal waves compared to transverse waves. Others suggest that similar equations may apply. There is a focus on understanding the relationship between wave speed, Young's modulus, and Bulk modulus in different materials.

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The discussion is active, with participants questioning assumptions about wave types and their properties. Some have provided insights into the relationship between tension, Young's modulus, and wave speed, while others are clarifying the context of the problem statements.

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There are indications of potential misinterpretations regarding the type of waves being discussed, particularly in relation to the medium (strings versus tubes) and the definitions of relevant physical properties.

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Homework Statement


How to find the fundamental frequency of standing longitudinal waves?Are they similar to standing transverse waves?

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The Attempt at a Solution


I know pretty much about standing transverse waves in strings. But i am confused about standing longitudinal waves in strings.:confused:
 
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nil1996 said:

Homework Statement


How to find the fundamental frequency of standing longitudinal waves?Are they similar to standing transverse waves?

Homework Equations


none


The Attempt at a Solution


I know pretty much about standing transverse waves in strings. But i am confused about standing longitudinal waves in strings.:confused:

They are similar to standing transverse waves. Think again, similar equations are used.
 
The problem statement is-
A string is stretched so that its length is increased by 1/n of its original length. Find the ratio of fundamental frequency of transverse vibration to that of fundamental frequency of longitudinal vibration.
 
Ok i got this question right. Speed of longitudinal wave in strings depends on Young's modulus.
 
nil1996 said:
The problem statement is-
A string is stretched so that its length is increased by 1/n of its original length. Find the ratio of fundamental frequency of transverse vibration to that of fundamental frequency of longitudinal vibration.

A string forms transverse wave, not longitudinal wave. maybe the question wants you to assume longitudinal wave traveling through a tube (and its length is increased) and calculate the ratio between the two.

Edit: great, that you got it!...I guess I overlooked the question, the question was asking about the longitudinal waves that travel through every material medium or maybe longitudinal term was misprinted.
 
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nil1996 said:
Speed of longitudinal wave in strings depends on Young's modulus.

BTW, speed of longitudinal waves in general depends on Bulk modulus.
 
The term bulk modulus is used for gases and liquids. In metals we use Young's modulus, isn't it?
 
nil1996 said:
The term bulk modulus is used for gases and liquids. In metals we use Young's modulus, isn't it?

Bulk modulus is also used for solids/metal. For tensile stress young's modulus is used, for hydraulic stress bulk modulus is used.

$$v_{transverse}=\sqrt{\frac{T}{μ}}$$
$$v_{longitudinal}=\sqrt{\frac{B}{ρ}}$$
##T## is Tension.
##μ## is linear mass density
##B## is Bulk modulus
##ρ## is density

Edit: Tension can be related to young's modulus by:
$$T=Y.A.\frac{ΔL}{L}$$
##Y## is young's modulus
##A## is cross-sectional area.
##L## is initial length of the string.
 
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...and there goes my 100th post

thanks
 
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nil1996 said:
...and there goes my 100th post

thanks

:thumbs:
 

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