What is the Laplacian of the scalar potential with an extra term?

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the Laplacian of a scalar potential related to a continuous charge distribution, specifically focusing on the expression involving an additional term to address singularities in the potential. The context is rooted in classical electrodynamics, referencing Jackson's work.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the correct application of the Laplacian in spherical coordinates versus Cartesian coordinates. There are attempts to clarify the distinction between the variables used in the potential and the differentiation process. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of the variable 'r' in different contexts.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and corrections regarding the use of coordinates and the application of the Laplacian. Some guidance has been offered about the flexibility of coordinate systems, but there is still some confusion regarding the differentiation variable and its implications.

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There are indications of potential misunderstandings about the relationship between the variables in spherical coordinates and their Cartesian counterparts. Participants are also navigating the implications of singularities in the potential and the appropriate mathematical treatment of these expressions.

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On page 35 of Jackson's Classical Electrodynamics, he calculates the Laplacian of a scalar potential due to a continuous charge distribution. In the expression for the potential, the operand of the Laplacian is

[tex]\frac{1}{|r-r'|},[/tex]

where r is the the point where the potential is to be evaluated and r' the location of the source.

Homework Statement


Jackson says that, "Because it turns out that the resulting
integrand is singular, we invoke a limiting procedure." He thus adds an extra term, a^2, in the following way:

Homework Equations


[tex]\frac{1}{\sqrt{(r-r')^2+a^2}}[/tex]

Now, what is the Laplacian of this expression? According to Jackson, it's

[tex]\frac{3a^2}{((r-r')^2+a^2)^{\frac{5}{2}}}[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution


According to my own calculations, the Laplacian (the second derivative) of the above function with respect to |r-r'| is

[tex]\frac{2|r-r'|-a^2}{((r-r')^2+a^2)^{\frac{5}{2}}}.[/tex]

I've checked this result with the help of wolframalpha, and it's correct. Am I using the wrong variable for differentiation, or what?
 
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Hi,
Careful: the Laplacian in spherical coordinates is not simply the sum of second derivatives. Check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laplace_operator" , up to a sign.
 
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henry_m said:
Hi,
Careful: the Laplacian in spherical coordinates is not simply the sum of second derivatives. Check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laplace_operator" , up to a sign.

Ah, yes, of course he's using spherical coordinates! *facepalm*

Thanks, henry!
 
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Actually, there are some things I still don't understand here. Isn't the term r in the Laplacian given in spherical coordinates the same as the term r showing up in the expression for the infinitesimal volume element when you go from cartesian to spherical coordinates? And isn't that term r the distance from the origin to the volume element, rather than the distance between the field point and source point?
 
_Andreas said:
Actually, there are some things I still don't understand here. Isn't the term r in the Laplacian given in spherical coordinates the same as the term r showing up in the expression for the infinitesimal volume element when you go from cartesian to spherical coordinates? And isn't that term r the distance from the origin to the volume element, rather than the distance between the field point and source point?

Yes. r and r' are not intended to be spherical coordinate r values. Put r=(x,y,z) and r'=(x',y',z') and evaluate the laplacian in the usual way.
 
Dick said:
Yes. r and r' are not intended to be spherical coordinate r values. Put r=(x,y,z) and r'=(x',y',z') and evaluate the laplacian in the usual way.

I don't quite see what you mean. Should I not use the Laplacian expressed in spherical coordinates after all? Could you elaborate?
 
_Andreas said:
I don't quite see what you mean. Should I not use the Laplacian expressed in spherical coordinates after all? Could you elaborate?

I'm saying that you can use any coordinates you like. Put one point at the origin. Now your spherical expression is 1/sqrt(r^2+a^2). You could also write it as 1/sqrt(x^2+y^2+z^2+a^2) in cartesian coordinates.
 
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Dick said:
I'm saying that you can use any coordinates you like. Put one point at the origin. Now your spherical expression is 1/sqrt(r^2+a^2). You could also write it as 1/sqrt(x^2+y^2+z^2+a^2) in cartesian coordinates.

Ok, I think I finally get it. I've been mixing up the variable of integration and the variable of differentiation completely*. Thanks.

*"With respect to |r-r'|", as I wrote in the OP, is wrong. The differentiation is with respect to r.
 
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