What is the length of (-4pi sin(t), 4pi cos(t), 1) in trigonometry?

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The discussion revolves around finding the length of a vector defined as x = (-4π sin(πt), 4π cos(πt), 1). Participants are exploring the mathematical concepts involved in calculating the length of this vector, particularly in the context of trigonometric identities.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the formula for length and express confusion regarding the application of trigonometric identities, specifically questioning the relationship between sin² and cos² functions and their arguments.

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Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the trigonometric identity sin²(x) + cos²(x) = 1, emphasizing its validity for all x. There is an ongoing exploration of the original poster's calculations and reasoning, with requests for further clarification on their approach.

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Participants note that the original poster may have misconceptions about trigonometric functions and algebraic manipulation, which could be affecting their understanding of the problem. There is acknowledgment of the original poster's self-identified weaknesses in trigonometry and algebra.

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Homework Statement


x = (-4\pisin\pit, 4\picos\pit, 1)
what is the length of x?

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The Attempt at a Solution


Well, I do realize that length of something is calculated by sqrt(x^2 + y^2) etc.
However, when I plug in the numbers above, I get sqrt(16\pi^3 + 1), but the answer is sqrt[1 + (4\pi)^2)]. If anyone can show me step by step (trig is my weak point), I'd really appreciate it. I'm guessing (sin^2\pit + cos^2\pit) = 1, instead of \pi? If so, why?
 
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You should have learned long ago that sin^2(x)+ cos^2(x)= 1 for all x, even if x= \pi t!
 
hanelliot said:

Homework Statement


x = (-4\pisin\pit, 4\picos\pit, 1)
what is the length of x?


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


Well, I do realize that length of something is calculated by sqrt(x^2 + y^2) etc.
However, when I plug in the numbers above, I get sqrt(16\pi^3 + 1), but the answer is sqrt[1 + (4\pi)^2)]. If anyone can show me step by step (trig is my weak point), I'd really appreciate it. I'm guessing (sin^2\pit + cos^2\pit) = 1, instead of \pi? If so, why?
Yes, sin2A + cos2A = 1 for any A. This is the only trig in this problem. The rest is algebra, which also seems to be a weak point.

How did you get sqrt(16\pi3 + 1)? Show what you did to get this and we can set you straight.
 
I do hope you are NOT arguing that you can take a "\pi out of the function and saying that:

"sin^2(\pi t)+ cos^2(\pi t)= (\pi sin^2(t))^2+ (\pi cos^2(t))^2= \pi^2".

sin(at) is NOT equal to a sin(t) and cos(at) is NOT equal to a cos(t)!
 
lol yeah, been away from math for a long time so did forget it. don't worry about 16pi^3, it was done quickly and obv wrong.
 

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