What is the Magnetic Field of a Bent Wire at the Focus?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the magnetic flux density B at the focus of a parabolic wire carrying a current I. Participants explore the application of the Biot-Savart law and the implications of the wire's shape on the magnetic field, addressing both theoretical and mathematical aspects of the problem.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to apply the formula for a straight wire to a parabolic wire and what "at the focus" means.
  • Another participant suggests using the Biot-Savart law and provides a method to express the necessary vectors in Cartesian terms for integration.
  • A different participant encourages a positive outlook on the mathematical complexity, indicating that the problem may not be as difficult as it seems.
  • There is a discussion about the focus of the parabola being at (0, 0.25) and whether this is appropriate for the problem, with references to the general form of a parabola.
  • Participants clarify that the problem does not specify the value of p, suggesting flexibility in its choice.
  • One participant corrects another regarding the nature of the integral, emphasizing that it is not a contour integration but rather a direct integration of dB to find B.
  • There is a query about the derivation of the vector forms for dl and r, with an explanation provided based on geometric principles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants have not reached a consensus on the approach to take or the implications of the parabolic shape on the magnetic field. Multiple viewpoints and methods are presented, indicating ongoing exploration and debate.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of integrating the Biot-Savart law for a parabolic wire and the potential for different interpretations of the problem based on the choice of parameters.

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Homework Statement


An infinite wire of parabolic shape carries a current I, find the magnetic flux density B, at the focus


Homework Equations


B=(μ0*I)\(2∏r) I know this is for a straight wire, I'm not sure what i would use for a U shaped wire

The Attempt at a Solution


Well I figure the current is running for one end to the other and the B field around the wire but I don't know what at the focus means, and I'm not sure what the bent U shape/parabolic effects the B field
 
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First, draw a parabola y = x2 and draw the d l and r vectors at some point up the parabola on both sides. The focus in this case is at (0, 0.25).

Express the d l and r vectors in Cartesian terms. Wind up with everything in terms of x, with no y terms. Then integrate the Biot-Savart expression for dB from x =-∞ to +∞.

I must say the math looks awful. Perhaps someone else has a better approach.
 
oh great
 
Awful, not impossible! In fact, looking at it again, may not be bad at all.

First, notice that you only need to address the parabola for x >= 0, then multiply by 2.

You know you need dl and r going from a point on the parabola (x,y). You also have y = x2.

dl = dx i + dy j and points upwards & to the right (assume current flows in the +y direction).
r= -x i + (0.25 - y) j and points from a point (x,y) on the parabola to the focus.

That should get you going.
 
alright cool thank you
 
why is the focus at 0, 0.25? and would i use this? even though it for a closed curve?
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or this http://pms.iitk.ernet.in/wiki/images/math/5/c/8/5c8f0ff0e0d4749758d0abaf2faa2af2.png
 
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why is the focus at 0, 0.25? and would i use this? even though it for a closed curve?
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You have the right formula, aka the Biot-Savart law.

The expression for a parabola with vertex at the origin and open end upward (along the y axis) is
y = x2/4p
where p = distance along y from the vertex to the focus. So if you choose y = x2 then p = 1/4.

You can choose p to be any positive real number you want. The problem did not specify p so presumably it makes no difference to the solution.

BTW the "C' by the integral sign does not belong. This is not a contour integration. You are integrating d B to get B at one point.
 
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Octavius1287 said:
or this http://pms.iitk.ernet.in/wiki/images/math/5/c/8/5c8f0ff0e0d4749758d0abaf2faa2af2.png

EDIT:

This is the differential form of Biot-Savart. The " k " indicates that B wound up in the +z direction, just as it will in your case. θ is the angle between d l and r.

However, I earlier suggested vector forms for d l and r and I suggest you ignore this formula and retain the vector format for dB which is

d B = (μ0/4π)d l x r / r3.
 
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i guess ,y last question would be, how did you figure the
dl = dx i + dy j
r= -x i + (0.25 - y) j
 
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the first is just pythagoras: you have a vector dl with x component dx and y component dy. keep in mind dl is a differential stretch along the parabola.

The second is derived by the usual formula for a vector going from (x1,y1) to (x2,y2). (The direction is important).
 

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