What is the maximum velocity of a motorbike on a curved track?

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The discussion revolves around determining the maximum velocity of a motorbike on a curved track, focusing on the forces involved, particularly friction and centripetal acceleration. Participants explore the implications of the bike's lean and the role of various forces as the bike accelerates.

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  • Participants discuss the equations related to maximum velocity and the conditions under which it is achieved, including the role of friction and the bike's lean angle. There are questions about the relationship between tangential and centripetal acceleration and whether to assume constant acceleration.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations being explored regarding the effects of leaning, friction, and acceleration. Some participants have offered insights into the forces at play, while others express confusion about the relationships between different types of acceleration.

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There are references to specific assumptions made in the problem, such as the bike never slipping and the need to consider both tangential and centripetal components of acceleration. Participants are also navigating the implications of these assumptions on their calculations.

  • #31
Pranav-Arora said:
This one:
\left(\frac{v_{max}^2}{R}\right)^2+(a_t)^2=(\mu g)^2
I think I am wrong about substituting ##a_t=v(dv/ds)## in this equation as it is only applicable for max acceleration. :confused:

You can always write ##a_c^2 + a_t^2 = a^2## at any time during the motion, not just at the time when you reach maximum speed. See what you get if you substitute ##a_t = v dv/ds## in this equation with ##v## not at max value.
 
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  • #32
TSny said:
You can always write ##a_c^2 + a_t^2 = a^2## at any time during the motion, not just at the time when you reach maximum speed. See what you get if you substitute ##a_t = v dv/ds## in this equation.

I tried substituting it but I get a differential equation which is not solvable. :(
 
  • #33
Pranav-Arora said:
I tried substituting it but I get a differential equation which is not solvable. :(

What equation did you get?
 
  • #34
TSny said:
What equation did you get?

Sorry, I replied hastily before.

\left(\frac{v^2}{R}\right)^2+\left(v\frac{dv}{ds}\right)^2=(\mu g)^2
It can be rewriten as (I am substituting ##\mu g=k##)
\frac{dv}{ds}=\frac{1}{vR}\sqrt{R^2k^2-v^4}
\frac{vR dv}{\sqrt{R^2k^2-v^4}}=dx

Integrating v from 0 to ##v_{max}## and s from 0 to ##s_{min}##
\frac{R}{2}arctan\left(\frac{v_{max}^2}{\sqrt{R^2k^2-v^4}}\right)=s_{min}
What should I substitute from ##v_{max}##? :confused:
 
  • #35
At ##v_{max}## what is the direction of the total acceleration?
 
  • #36
TSny said:
At ##v_{max}## what is the direction of the total acceleration?

Towards the center? So ##v_{max}=\sqrt{\mu gR}##?
 
  • #37
Pranav-Arora said:
Towards the center? So ##v_{max}=\sqrt{\mu gR}##?

Yes.
 
  • #38
TSny said:
Yes.

Thank you TSny! :smile:

Substituting this value of ##v_{max}## in the final equation, I get ##s_{min}=\pi R/4##.
 
  • #39
Pranav-Arora said:
I get ##s_{min}=\pi R/4##.

I think that's right.
 

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