What Is the Mean Square Fluctuation in Energy?

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a particle in a potential box with infinitely high walls, described by a specific wave function. Participants are tasked with finding the probability distribution of the particle's energy, as well as the mean value and mean square fluctuation of energy.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the definition of mean square fluctuation and its relation to the expectation values of energy. There is uncertainty regarding whether the mean fluctuation refers to ΔC or ΔC2, and questions arise about the implications of an imaginary value in this context.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing clarification regarding the correct expression for mean square fluctuation, with some participants attempting to derive it from definitions. Multiple interpretations of notation and terminology are being explored, and guidance has been offered to clarify the mathematical expressions involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the presence of typos and unclear notation, which may contribute to confusion in the discussion. The complexity of the mathematical expressions, particularly with nested brackets, is acknowledged as a potential barrier to understanding.

NikBreslin

Homework Statement


A state of a particle in the potential box of width a with infinitely high walls is described by the wave function:
Ψ(x)=Ax(x-a)
Find the probability distribution of various value of particle energy, mean value and mean square fluctuation of energy.

Homework Equations


Energy Operator H: -hbar2 / 2m * d2/dx2
Expectation Value of H is Integral of Ψ*HΨ with respect to x
ΔC2=(<H2>-<H>2)

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm not sure if by mean fluctuation they mean ΔC or ΔC2 I have solved the first 2 parts and know the expectation value is 5 hbar2/(m*a2). Because of the wave equation I know expectation value of H2 is 0. So is my answer ΔC or ΔC2 and if it is the prior, what does an imaginary value mean?
 
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NikBreslin said:
I'm not sure if by mean fluctuation they mean ΔC or ΔC2
The question asked is "mean square fluctuation of energy.
NikBreslin said:
Because of the wave equation I know expectation value of H2 is 0.
Can you explain this?

On edit: The definition of mean square fluctuation is
##\left < H^2 - <H> \right >^2##. This cannot be negative. Derive the expression you quoted for the mean square fluctuation from this definition and you will see where and why you got confused.
 
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kuruman said:
On edit: The definition of mean square fluctuation is
##\left < H^2 - <H> \right >^2##.
Typo: ##\left < H - \langle H \rangle \right >^2##
 
DrClaude said:
Typo: ⟨H−⟨H⟩⟩2
Thanks, @DrClaude.
 
DrClaude said:
Typo: ##\left < H - \langle H \rangle \right >^2##
That would be identically zero. You mean
$$
\left< (H - \langle H\rangle)^2\right>
$$
 
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Orodruin said:
That would be identically zero. You mean
##\left< (H - \langle H\rangle)^2\right>##
Yesss.
 
Does this thread break the record number of typos? (At least by different people :rolleyes:)
 
DrClaude said:
Does this thread break the record number of typos? (At least by different people)
I don't think it's the typos as much as the "reados", if I may coin the word, because of the notation involving nested angular brackets and parentheses. This, ##<\psi |(H-<H>)^2|\psi>## is more legible and easier to proofread, at least to people familiar with Dirac notation.
 

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